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Dr. Murray Stein is a leading Jungian analyst and scholar whose work has shaped contemporary analytical psychology. He holds degrees from Yale University, Yale Divinity School, the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich, and the University of Chicago Divinity School. A founding member and first president of the C.G. Jung Institute of Chicago, he has also served as president of the International Association for Analytical Psychology and currently serves as a training and supervising analyst at ISAP Zurich. He is the author of numerous books, including Jung's Map of the Soul: An Introduction and its sequel Jung's Map of the Soul: Deeper Explorations.
In this conversation, Murray explores the shadow, complexes, projection, and the levels of consciousness through which we come to know ourselves and one another. Drawing on Jung's writings, scripture, and decades of clinical experience, Murray shares how shame, resentment, and projection shape both individual lives and collective movements — from Cain and Abel to the rise of authoritarian leaders. We consider the difference between discernment and judgment, the body's wisdom, and the conditions of safety that make inner work possible. At the heart of our dialogue is the problem of evil and its intimate relationship to shame, and what it means to remain aware of the shadow in ourselves and in our cultures.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:57 What is the shadow?
00:11:39 Working with the shadow
00:17:05 States and stages of consciousness
00:28:41 Shame, humiliation and the roots of evil
00:42:56 Projection and its psychological implications
00:48:50 Discernment vs. judgment: Understanding the difference
00:52:43 Listening to the body’s signals
00:57:40 The individual shadow meets the collective
01:06:30 Safety as the ground of inner life
01:08:36 Jungian psychology: Bridging psychology and spirituality
01:12:20 The shadow of Euro-American culture
01:17:45 The New Jerusalem and the vision of a restored paradise
01:21:22 The numinous, unus mundus, and the interpsychic field
01:23:48 Final thoughts
Producer: Elena McNally
Editor: John Hartmann
(Recorded on May 1, 2026)
New Thinking Allowed Guest Host Leanne Whitney, PhD, is a depth psychologist and transformational coach based in Los Angeles, CA. She is the author of Consciousness in Jung and Patañjali and currently serves as Executive Director of Center for Transformation and Integration. Her website is leannewhitney.com
To learn about Leanne Whitney’s upcoming Transformational Coaching Certification Course with an emphasis in Somatic Integration Therapy, please visit: transformationandintegration.com/courses
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Dr. Murray Stein is a leading Jungian analyst and scholar whose work has shaped contemporary analytical psychology. He holds degrees from Yale University, Yale Divinity School, the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich, and the University of Chicago Divinity School. A founding member and first president of the C.G. Jung Institute of Chicago, he has also served as president of the International Association for Analytical Psychology and currently serves as a training and supervising analyst at ISAP Zurich. He is the author of numerous books, including Jung's Map of the Soul: An Introduction and its sequel Jung's Map of the Soul: Deeper Explorations.
In this conversation, Murray explores the shadow, complexes, projection, and the levels of consciousness through which we come to know ourselves and one another. Drawing on Jung's writings, scripture, and decades of clinical experience, Murray shares how shame, resentment, and projection shape both individual lives and collective movements — from Cain and Abel to the rise of authoritarian leaders. We consider the difference between discernment and judgment, the body's wisdom, and the conditions of safety that make inner work possible. At the heart of our dialogue is the problem of evil and its intimate relationship to shame, and what it means to remain aware of the shadow in ourselves and in our cultures.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:57 What is the shadow?
00:11:39 Working with the shadow
00:17:05 States and stages of consciousness
00:28:41 Shame, humiliation and the roots of evil
00:42:56 Projection and its psychological implications
00:48:50 Discernment vs. judgment: Understanding the difference
00:52:43 Listening to the body’s signals
00:57:40 The individual shadow meets the collective
01:06:30 Safety as the ground of inner life
01:08:36 Jungian psychology: Bridging psychology and spirituality
01:12:20 The shadow of Euro-American culture
01:17:45 The New Jerusalem and the vision of a restored paradise
01:21:22 The numinous, unus mundus, and the interpsychic field
01:23:48 Final thoughts
Producer: Elena McNally
Editor: John Hartmann
(Recorded on May 1, 2026)
New Thinking Allowed Guest Host Leanne Whitney, PhD, is a depth psychologist and transformational coach based in Los Angeles, CA. She is the author of Consciousness in Jung and Patañjali and currently serves as Executive Director of Center for Transformation and Integration. Her website is leannewhitney.com
To learn about Leanne Whitney’s upcoming Transformational Coaching Certification Course with an emphasis in Somatic Integration Therapy, please visit: transformationandintegration.com/courses
To order Consciousness in Jung and Patañjali by Leanne Whitney go to: amzn.to/2QY3tS2
To order Jung's Map of the Soul: An Introduction by Murray Stein go to: amzn.to/4u5fc0J
To order The Problem of Evil by Murray Stein, click on amzn.to/4dy9kqO
For a short video on How to Get the Most From New Thinking Allowed, go to youtu.be/aVbfPFGxv9o
Check out our new website for the New Thinking Allowed Foundation at http://www.newthinkingallowed.org. There you will find our incredible, searchable database as well as our new, FREE QUARTERLY MAGAZINE. Also, opportunities to shop and to support our video productions. There, you can also subscribe to our FREE, WEEKLY NEWSLETTER!
For a complete, updated list with links to all of our videos, see newthinkingallowed.com/Listings.html
Check out New Thinking Allowed's AI chatbot. You can create a free account at ai.servicespace.org When you enter the space, you will see that our chatbot is one of several you can interact with. While it is still a work in progress, it has been trained on 1,600 NTA transcripts. It can provide intelligent answers about the contents of our interviews. It's almost like having a conversation with Jeffrey Mishlove.
To buy a high-quality, printed version of the New Thinking Allowed Magazine, go to nta-magazine.magcloud.com.
To join the NTA Psi Experience Community on Facebook, see: facebook.com/groups/1953031791426543
To download and listen to audio versions of the New Thinking Allowed videos, visit our podcast at podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-thinking-allowed-audio-podcast/id1435178031
Download and read Jeffrey Mishlove's Grand Prize essay in the Bigelow Institute competition, Beyond the Brain: The Survival of Human Consciousness After Permanent Bodily Death. bigelowinstitute.org/docs/1st.pdf
If you would like to join our team of volunteers, helping to promote the New Thinking Allowed YouTube channel on social media, editing and translating videos, creating short video trailers based on our interviews, helping to upgrade our website, or contributing in other ways (we may not even have thought of), please send an email to friends@newthinkingallowed.com.
To order UFOs and UAP – Are We Really Alone?, go to amzn.to/3Y0VOVh
