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Evan Thompson is a philosopher and author, specializing in the integration of cognitive science, philosophy of mind, and Asian philosophical traditions. Based at the University of British Columbia, his work, including his recent book 'The Blind Spot', examines the intersections of consciousness, experience, and reality through a comprehensive interdisciplinary approach.
Immerse yourself in the groundbreaking insights of Evan Thompson's thought-provoking book, "The Blind Spot: Why Science Cannot Ignore Human Experience.” amazon.com/Blind-Spot-Science-Cannot-Experience/dp/0262048809
Watch the first episode of the series: youtube.com/watch?v=8FEYm8ehaTE&t=671s
Notes:
0:00 Introduction: Welcome to the Lectern
0:15 Evan Thompson's Background and the Book 'The Blind Spot'
2:10 The Blind Spot in Perception: Cognitive Science, Asian Philosophy, and Mystical Insight
2:30 Revolution in Biology: Life, Cognition, and Consciousness
5:00 Autonomous Agents vs. Machines
11:30 Challenges to Newtonian Mechanics and Reductionist Ontology
22:00 Life as Self-Enabling, Not law-Entailing
32:00 Historical and Nomological Explanations in Biology
39:00 Epiphenomenalism
43:00 Debunking Computational Functionalism
45:00 Exploring Cognition and Relevance Realization
49:00 Limits of AI
51:00 The Energy and Social Costs of AI
1:00:00 Structures of Consciousness
1:08:00 The Primacy of Awareness and Embodiment
1:22:00 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
The Blind Spot: Why Science Cannot Ignore Human Experience - book co-authored by Evan Thompson, Adam Frank, and Marcelo Gleiser
Waking, Dreaming, Being: Self and Consciousness in Neuroscience, Meditation, and Philosophy - book by Evan Thompson
Why I Am Not a Buddhist - book by Evan Thompson
The Nature of Selection: Evolutionary Theory in Philosophical Focus by Elliott Sober
The Watchmen (comic series) by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons
The Relevance Realization (paper) by John Vervaeke and colleagues
Chalmers' work on consciousness works by David Chalmers
The Visible and the Invisible by Maurice Merleau-Ponty
Neoplatonism
Hegelian Philosophy
Immanuel Kant
Alfred North Whitehead
Douglas Harding
Marcelo Gleiser
Quotes:
“Organisms are autonomous agents, not machines.” -Evan Thompson (4:00)
“Consciousness has the order of priority in terms of intelligibility or meaning.” -Evan Thompson (1:04:00)
In this episode, John Vervaeke and Harvard professor Charles Stang explore the concept of the 'daimon’', stemming from Stang's book One Divine Double. John and Charles discuss semi-autonomous entities in psychological and philosophical contexts, linking ancient wisdom and modern cognitive science. Key topics include Socratic 'daimonion', Platonic thought, phenomenology of visionary encounters, and cultural ontology. They emphasize the embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended nature of cognition, highlighting the relevance of understanding these phenomena amid emerging technologies like AGI and virtual realities. The episode calls for Socratic self-awareness to navigate these transformative potentials and risks.
Charles Stang is a Professor of Theology at Harvard Divinity School and Director of the Center for the Study of World Religions. His research focuses on ancient Mediterranean religions, Neoplatonism, and contemporary philosophy and spirituality. His research and teaching focus on the history of Christianity in the context of the ancient Mediterranean world, especially Eastern varieties of Christianity. More specifically, his interests include: the development of asceticism, monasticism, and mysticism in Christianity; ancient philosophy, especially Neoplatonism; the Syriac Christian tradition, especially the spread of the East Syrian tradition along the Silk Road; other philosophical and religious movements of the ancient Mediterranean, including Gnosticism, Hermeticism, and Manichaeism; and modern continental philosophy and theology, especially as they intersect with the study of religion.
Resources:
Center for the Study of World Religions: https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/
Theosis, the CSWR’s new publication: https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/theosis-cswr-annual-publication-2023-2024
The Transcendence and Transformation Initiative at the CSWR: https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/research-programming/transcendence-transformation
Notes:
0:00 Introduction: Welcome to the Lectern
2:30 Charles Stang, Background, Framework
5:30 John’s Experience and Dialogue with Hermes (IFS)
7:45 IFS (Internal Family Systems) - A psychotherapy model that focuses on dialoguing with various parts of the self
10:00 Platonic Tradition and Daimonology
15:00 Socrates and the Concept of Daimonion in Plato's Apology
20:40 Real-Life Accounts of Felt Presence
28:00 Socrates' Complex Relationship with the Imaginal
33:00 Socrates' Authority vs. Rational Argument
41:30 Corbin's Notion of the Imaginal
46:30 Daimonology and Angelology - Encounters with the Higher Self
49:00 The Role of Hermes in Personal Encounters
54:30 Lucid Dreaming and Cognitive Science
1:03:30 The Interplay of Subjective and Objective Realities
01:12:00 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Plato, Apology
Plato, Republic
Charles Stang, Our Divine Double
John Geiger, The Third Man Factor: Surviving the Impossible
Henry Corbin, The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism
Henry Corbin, Alone with the Alone: Creative Imagination in the Sufism of Ibn 'Arabi'
Gregory Shaw, Theurgy and the Soul: The Neoplationism of Iamblichus
Socrates
Socratic philosophy
Daimonion (Divine sign)
David Gordon White, Daemons Are Forever: Contacts and Exchanges in the Eurasian Pandemonium
Porphyry, Life of Plotinus
Daimonology
Paul VanderKlay
Christopher Mastropietro
Carl Jung
Theurgy
Internal Family Systems (IFS)
Quotes:
"Socrates’ daimonion was unique in that it only ever told him ‘no,’ which highlights its role as a dissuading force rather than a guiding one." — Charles Stang (13:30)
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Metaphysics and the Matter with Things: Thinking with Iain McGilchrist was a collaborative conference put on by the Center for Process Studies (CPS) and the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in March of 2024. This three-day conference brought leading process thinkers across various disciplines, including physics, neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, and theology, into critical dialogue with McGilchrist’s work in a collegial effort to assess, question, extend, and apply it. For more information on the conference and to purchase recordings, please visit ctr4process.org/mcgilchrist-conference
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0:00 Introduction to the Metaphysics of Mattering
1:05 Meaning in Life: Purpose, Coherence, Significance, and Mattering
6:40 Connectedness and Religio
10:10 Relevance Realization and General Intelligence
12:45 The Problem of Relevance Realization
21:20 Formalization and Ill-Defined Problems
27:10 Relationality and the Sacred
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Matthew Segall
Richard Tarnas
Kelly-Ann Allen
Evan Thompson
Read Montague
Michael Levin
Aristotle
Zak Stein
Nietzsche
Iain McGilchrist
Christopher Cherniak
Jerry Fodor
J.L. Schellenberg
Relevance Realization
Religio
Conformity theory
Duhem–Quine thesis,
Susan Wolf, Meaning in Life and Why It Matters
John Searle, The Rediscovery of the Mind
Catherine Pickstock, Aspects of Truth: A New Religious Metaphysics
Harold Brown, Rationality
James Filler, Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground
J. Jaeger, A. Riedl, A. Djedovic, J. Vervaeke, and D. Walsh, Naturalizing relevance realization: why agency and cognition are fundamentally not computational
Frank Martela and Michael F. Steger, Distinguishing coherence, purpose, and significance
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In this 8-week course, John will draw on theology, cognitive science and philosophy to argue for a non-theistic stance toward the sacred.
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In summary, the Lectern will serve as a focused and transparent platform for John’s educational and philosophical endeavors, emphasizing transformational learning, interdisciplinary dialogue, and a commitment to virtue and virtuosity. It will provide a structured and engaging space for students and peers to interact with John's work and contribute to the broader philosophical and cognitive scientific discourse.
Notes:
0:20 The Call to Teach
1:00 Awakening to the Meaning Crisis
2:00 Entering the Public Domain
3:30 The Challenges of Public Exposure
5:30 The Verveke Foundation
7:30 Reorienting Towards Virtuosity
8:00 The Philosophical Silk Road
9:55 The Lectern - Clarifying the Mission
12:00 Commitment to Transformation and Transparency
14:00 Holding Together Finitude and Transcendence
16:30 The Ethical Obligation
16:50 Conludes - The Mission Continues
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode:
Meaning Crisis
Virtuosity
Advent of the Sacred
Philosophical Silk Road
Transformational Education
Finitude and Transcendence
Verveke Foundation
Ryan Barton
Bishop Maximus
Christopher Mastropietro
Eric Foster
Ben Baker
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis
After Socrates
The God of Einstein and Spinoza
Philosophical Silk Road
Dr Robin Barre has over 30 years of experience working with adolescents. Her dissertation focused on trauma and the archetypal nature of adolescence. She runs a small psychotherapy practice and consults with parents, caregivers, and organizations to enhance adolescent well-being.
How does the intricate dance of self-organizing criticality relate to the turmoil and transformation of adolescence?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke, Kasra Mirzaie, and Dr Robin Barre explore the transformative potential of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy in addressing the meaning crisis and supporting adolescents on their developmental journey. The conversation delves into the complex interplay of IFS, dynamical systems, and the critical phase transition of adolescence. They discuss principles such as self-organizing criticality, entropy, and insight, explaining how these concepts drive change and present unique challenges and opportunities. The episode highlights cultural shortcomings, the significance of wisdom traditions, and the role of IFS as a modern initiation process.
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00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions
02:45 Self-Organizing Criticality & IFS
07:20 Entropy and Insight in Change
20:20 Curiosity and Transformation
23:15 Adolescence and the Meaning Crisis
47:05 Culture's Disabling Effects
50:00 IFS Initiation for Adolescents
01:04:50 Remembering Adolescence and Navigating Mistakes
01:13:40 Communicating Conflict and Validating Adolescents
01:21:10 Embracing Transformation in Adolescence and the Meaning Crisis
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Tatjana Schnell
Dr Kelly-Ann Allen
Bill Plotkin
James Hillman
Vygotsky
Richard Frankel, The Adolescent Psyche
National Scientific Council on Adolescence, Cultivating Purpose in Adolescence
Relevant Episodes
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
Is IFS a Path to Self-Knowledge or Self-Deception? Insights from Kasra Mirzaie youtube.com/watch?v=hi_3WcLxyeU
Transforming Identity: The Power of IFS Therapy and Ancient Wisdom | Paul Vander Klay youtu.be/jQeXQkdiikY
Inside the Mind: Marc Lewis on Transformative Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy youtube.com/watch?v=_b_sRNGqhDA
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
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In this episode first released on Dissident Dialogues, Freddie Sayers hosts John Vervaeke and Alex O'Connor, formerly known as Cosmic Skeptic, to explore the deep question of meaning in an increasingly secular world. They discuss the historical role of religion in providing purpose and narrative, the modern challenges of finding meaning, and the rise of non-propositional forms of knowledge and practice. O'Connor and Vervaeke share personal anecdotes and philosophical insights, highlighting the timeless struggle for meaning, the limitations of relying solely on logical arguments, and the potential of emerging communities and practices to fill the void left by traditional religious structures.
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00:00 Introduction: The Loss of American Narrative
02:00 The Meaning Crisis in a Secular Age
04:32 Exploring Atheism and Meaning
07:35 Philosophical Perspectives on Meaning
12:35 The Role of Non-Propositional Knowledge
18:31 The Search for New Narratives
30:19 Conclusion: Emerging Communities and Future Prospects
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How can the ancient practices of spirituality and modern leadership development intersect to create transformative experiences?
In this episode of “Voice with Vervaeke,” John Vervaeke and Nicholas Janni explore this question through a conversation about leadership, spirituality, and human connection. Nicholas shares his transformative journey, from his school days to his encounters with Tibetan Buddhism and immersive theater, which led him to develop a unique approach to spiritual and embodied leadership. They discuss the importance of leaders connecting with their bodies, emotions, and the transpersonal, and the role of practices like bodywork, deep breathing, and poetry in facilitating this connection. Their conversation also explores the metaphysical realm, including prayer and spiritual guidance, and their impact on leadership. John and Nicholas discuss the cultural implications of their work and stress the importance of leaders who can promote this holistic approach to leadership and foster supportive communities for transformative experiences.
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00:00 Introduction: Convergence of Spirituality and Leadership
11:25 From Theatre to Leadership Consultancy
16:40 The Birth of 'Leader as Healer'
23:35 Reawakening Non-Propositional Thinking
43:40 The Transformative Power of Poetry
48:05 Therapy vs. Transformational Work
51:10 Integrating Awakening and Healing
01:02:55 Addressing the Modern Meaning Crisis
01:15:50 Embracing Prayer, Reverence, and Connectedness
01:24:30 Concluding Thoughts: The Imperative to Wake Up
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Nicholas Janni, Leader as Healer
Heinrich Päs, The One: How an Ancient Idea Holds the Future of Physics
Vivian Dittmar
Richard Olivier
Shakespeare's Globe Theatre
Shakespeare, W. Henry V.
Shakespeare, W. Julius Caesar.
Shakespeare, W. The Tempest.
Malidoma Somé
Michael Meade
Patrick Connor
Charles Taylor
David Wyatt
Mary Oliver, Wild Geese.
Plato
René Descartes
Relevant Episodes
Exploring the Transrational: A Journey into the Realms of Consciousness with Vivian Dittmar youtube.com/watch?v=KSObTcQ6_Bg
Transpersonal States: Awakening, Enlightenment, and the Ego | Vivian Dittmar youtube.com/watch?v=wCz9XpdofSQ
Exploring Emotions and Transrational Wisdom with Vivian Dittmar youtube.com/watch?v=IQWLfOFe0lo
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Can Metamodern Christianity breathe new life into ancient religious frameworks?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke and Brendan Graham Dempsey continue their exploration of MetaModern Christianity in part two of their discussion. Building on their previous conversation, which addressed the potential for metamodern spirituality to rejuvenate the Christian faith, they delve deeper into the integration of ancient doctrines with contemporary thought. They tackle the limitations of traditional religious frameworks, explore the concept of ultimate reality and the sacred through a non-theistic lens, and emphasize the significance of dialogical relationships in meaning-making. Vervaeke and Dempsey connect these insights to broader philosophical and cultural themes, examining the evolution of spiritual maturity, the interplay between personhood and the universe, and the integration of scientific and mystical perspectives.
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00:00 Introduction and Recap of Part One
00:45 Brendan's Work on Metamodern Spirituality
02:45 Ultimate Reality and the Sacred
13:25 Integrating Critiques: Schellenberg, Transcendence, and Non-Theism
16:50 Meaning and Learning in Sacred Evolution
29:20 Dialogical Relationship with the Sacred
41:45 God as Cosmic Self-Realization
50:00 Prayer and Maturation in Deep Time
54:30 Prayer and Transpersonal Dialogue
58:30 Prayer and Ultimate Reality
01:15:05 Conclusion: The Evolution of Meaning and the Sacred
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
J.L. Schellenberg
Gregg Henriques
Rudolf Otto
Clifford Geertz
Carl Sagan
Meister Eckhart
Paul Tillich
Iain McGilchrist
Martin Heidegger
Michael Levin
Epicurus
Bobby Azarian
Kasra Mirzaie
Leonard Angel
Spinoza
John Hick
Dan Chiappe
Paul Tillich
Dionysus
Brendan Graham Dempsey , A Universal Learning Process (The Evolution of Meaning)
Matt Rossano, Ritual in Human Evolution and Religion
Joseph A. Bracken, The Divine Matrix: Creativity As Link Between East and West
Leonard Angel, Enlightenment East and West
Relevant Episodes
Reviving Faith with Metamodern Spirituality and the Future of Christianity | Brendan Graham Dempsey youtube.com/watch?v=AlpQJVy18H4
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6 practice sessions, rotating on a weekly basis. (60-90 minutes each)
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The Ecology of Practices isn't just about knowledge—it's about transformation. Through philosophical inquiry, practical exercises, and fellowship, you'll learn to reframe your perspective on wisdom, navigate life's complexities with clarity, foster deeper connections, and cultivate a meaningful life rooted in wisdom.
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In this episode of 'Voices with Vervaeke,' John Vervaeke welcomes Christopher Mastropeitro and Andrew Sweeny for a discussion that delves into the philosophical and spiritual dimensions of their innovative project, the Philosophical Silk Road. Together, they challenge contemporary notions of sainthood and wisdom, drawing connections between Zen Buddhism, Neoplatonism, and Tantric practices. Through personal anecdotes and reflective dialogue, the trio examines the essence of saints and sages, the importance of humor and humility in spiritual journeys, and the delicate balance between our finite existence and the quest for transcendence. Join John, Chris, and Andrew as they share their spiritual paths and encounters with saintly figures, advocating for a renewed appreciation of the sacred in our modern world.
Andrew Sweeny is an educator, writer, musician, and podcaster. He teaches at Sciences Po University in Paris and is an editor at Parallax magazine. Sweeny explores Zen Buddhism, Tantric practices, and music through his media platform, Parallax, offering courses and podcasts.
Christopher Mastropietro is a philosophical writer fascinated by dialogue, symbols, and the concept of self. He is the executive director and an active contributor to the Vervaeke Foundation, collaborating on projects exploring wisdom, spirituality, and transformative dialogue.
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00:00 Introducing the Guests and the Philosophical Silk Road
02:50 Andrew's Path: Zen, Tantra, and Music
05:05 Exploring the Philosophical Silk Road
07:00 Dialogos and Sacred Emergence
10:40 Setting the Stage: Connecting Zen, Neoplatonism, and Theurgy
21:40 Tantra's Influence in East and West
31:40 Reflections on Saintliness
44:25 The Enigma of Crazy Wisdom and Non-Conformity
52:10 Understanding the Hidden Order and Profound Humanity of Saints
01:09:05 The Role of Romanticism and Humor in Sainthood
01:17:40 Pilgrimage and the Saintly Path
01:19:30 Final Reflections
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Authors, Ideas, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Kitaro Nishida
Alicia Juarrero
Friedrich Nietzsche
James Filler
Erich Fromm
Chögyam Trungpa
Heidegger
Plato
Nagarjuna
Christianity
Neoplatonism
Socrates
Thomas Aquinas
Augustine
Joseph A. Bracken, The Divine Matrix: Creativity As Link Between East and West
Gregory Shaw, Hellenic Tantra: The Theurgic Platonism of Iamblichus
Shunryu Suzuki, Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind: Informal Talks on Zen Meditation and Practice
Lotus Guru Padmasambhava, The Tibetan Book of the Dead
Albert Camus, The Plague
Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov; The Idiot
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Can understanding all parts of ourselves sometimes lead us away from the truth?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke continues to explore Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with guest Kasra Mirzaie. They discuss the paradox of IFS as both a path to self-discovery and a potential source of self-deception. Their conversation covers the intersection of spirituality and science within IFS, offering listeners insights into this therapeutic approach. Mirzaie shares personal experiences, emphasizing the transformative roles of love and forgiveness in therapy. Vervaeke and Mirzaie also examine the philosophical and cognitive scientific foundations of IFS, setting the stage for future discussions on self-organizing criticality and the relationship between cognitive science and spirituality. This episode aims to broaden listeners' understanding of the self and provide new perspectives on human psychology.
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00:00 Introduction and Mirzaie's Background and Work
03:00 Exploring Self-Deception
17:00 The Role of Love and Forgiveness
22:50 The Spiritual Dimension of IFS
34:40 Self-Deception and Spiritual Bypassing
38:45 Spirit of Self-Deception: The Paradox of Adaptation and Growth
43:00 The Paradox of the Fall and Self-Consciousness
45:40 Relational Reality and the Self
59:50 The Therapeutic Approach to Trauma
01:06:25 Conclusion: Gratitude, Growth, and Ongoing Exploration
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Neoplatonism
Mark Lewis
Paul Vander Klay
Seth Allison
Marc Lewis
Milton's Lucifer
William Desmond
Heidegger
William Blake
Filler
Jung
Nietzsche
Vygotsky
Nishita
Kirkegaard
Tom Holmes, Parts Work: a Path of the Heart: Healing Journeys Integrating IFS and Spirituality
Christopher Ben Simpson, The William Desmond Reader
Robert B. Brandom, A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology
Relevant Episodes
Transforming Identity: The Power of IFS Therapy and Ancient Wisdom | Paul Vander Klay: youtu.be/jQeXQkdiikY
Inside the Mind: Marc Lewis on Transformative Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy youtube.com/watch?v=_b_sRNGqhDA
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
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How can the convergence of ancient spiritual practices and modern cognitive science redefine our understanding of identity and collective wisdom?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke and Paul Vander Klay explore the intersections of personal transformation and collective wisdom. They discuss the role of spiritual practices like Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy in modern society and their implications for personal growth and collective understanding. The conversation highlights the significance of relationality in understanding agency and cognition, emphasizing how our relationships with others shape our sense of self and our ability to navigate the world. John and Paul also address the advent of the sacred in modern culture and the potential for new cultural cognitive grammars. They share insights from their personal and professional experiences, offering a thought-provoking exploration of modern spirituality and relational being. This episode leaves listeners with a deeper understanding of how personal growth and collective wisdom are intertwined.
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00:00 Introduction: Faith, Friendship, and Exploration
03:10 Exploring IFS Therapy, Dialogical Self, and Archetypal Experiences
08:50 Dialoguing with Hermes: Ally Work and Neoplatonic Traditions
14:00 Dialogical Models and Changing Public Perception of Humans
22:50 Rethinking the Self: Transjectivity, Relationality, and the Imaginal
28:00 Beyond Substance Ontology
55:00 Dialogical Presencing and Transjective Ontology in Religion
58:05 Communal Aspects of Christian Tradition
01:01:35 Dialogical Practice and Hermetic Consciousness
01:05:25 Therapeutic Practices and Self-Deception
01:12:15 Exploring the Sacred in IFS and Dialogical Practices
01:40:50 Conclusion: Embracing Vulnerability and Honesty
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Dialogical Practices
Hermes (Guiding Figure)
Proclus
Plotinus
Jordan Peterson
Jonathan Pageau
Seth Allison
Kasra Mirzaie
Richard Schwartz
Marc Lewis
Anderson Todd
Jeffrey Raff
Dallas Willard
James Fuller
Robert Falconer
Sam Tideman
Paul Kingsnorth
Martin Shaw
Richard Rohlin (Universal History)
Gregory Shaw, Hellenic Tantra: The Theurgic Platonism of Iamblichus
Ben Alderson-Day, Presence: The Strange Science and True Stories of the Unseen Other
T. M. Luhrmann, How God Becomes Real: Kindling the Presence of Invisible Others
Paul Ricoeur, Fallible Man: Philosophy of the Will
Plato, The Seventh Letter
Charles Taylor
Neoplatonism
Socrates
Relevant Episodes
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
The Elusive I - Part 1 - The Cognitive Science Show
youtube.com/watch?v=_Fnmp6UVafM&t=19s
AI Sages and the Ethical Frontier: Exploring Human Values, Embodiment, and Spiritual Realms
youtube.com/watch?v=6pU1clFG_rg
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Can re-engaging with classical ideals of beauty help us address the meaning crisis?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke and Thomas Jockin explore the concept of beauty through the lens of Plato's philosophy. Thomas shares insights from his upcoming course, discussing the interconnectedness of beauty, truth, and goodness. They examine how modern interpretations of beauty differ from Plato's original vision and how re-engaging with classical ideals can address the current meaning crisis. John and Thomas challenge contemporary perspectives and seek to rediscover foundational principles. Join the discussion to learn more about the profound impact of beauty on our lives.
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00:00 Exploring Plato's Concept of Beauty with Thomas Jockin
01:10 Jockin’s Halcyon Course: Plato on Beauty and Virtue
04:25 The Cultural Decline of Beauty
08:00 Plato's Beauty: Love, Reason, and the Soul's Recollection
10:25 Philosophical Implications of Beauty, Love, and Truth
24:00 The Rationality of Beauty Beyond Propositions
31:45 The Cascade Effect of Moral Virtues in Everyday Life
35:55 Bridging the Material and the Divine
40:55 The Interconnectedness of Beauty, Goodness, and Truth
51:15 Modern Art and the Role of the Artist
01:08:15 Beauty as a Solution to the Meaning Crisis in Modern Art and Architecture
01:14:25 Conclusion: Returning to Foundations in the Modern World
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Plato. Greater Hippias.
Plato. Symposium.
Plato. Phaedrus.
Plato. Meno.
Plato. Cratylus.
Plato. Parmenides.
Sonia Sedivy, Beauty and the End of Art
Byung-Chul Han, Saving Beauty
Drew A. Hyland, Plato and the Question of Beauty
D. C. Schindler, “The Primacy of Beauty, the Centrality of Goodness, and the Ultimacy of Truth”
John Russon, Bearing Witness to Epiphany: Persons, Things, and the Nature of Erotic Life
Duchamp (Fountain)
Heidegger
Maurice Merleau-Ponty
Habermas
Neoplatonism
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How can understanding our internal parts lead to emotional healing and personal growth?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke and Marc Lewis explore Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy. They examine the emotional landscapes that shape our behaviors, the interaction of different parts of the mind, and the transformative potential of self-compassion in therapy. This conversation provides insights into psychological healing, challenging conventional views and offering new perspectives on personal growth and recovery.
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00:00 Introduction: Understanding Addiction and Emotional Regulation through IFS Therapy
03:15 Marc's Academic Journey and Neuroscience Insights
05:35 The Power of IFS Therapy: A Faster Route to Healing and Understanding
11:35 Practical Applications of IFS and Why it Works
21:00 Dialoguing with Our Inner Selves
33:50 Exploring the Concept of Self in IFS
43:55 Bridging Therapy, Spirituality, and Emotional Healing
48:20 Balancing Growth, Responsibility, and the Role of the Self
01:00:00 Navigating Cultural Reactivity and Spiritual Dimensions
01:13:35 The Importance of Guidance and Pedagogical Preparation
01:17:15 Conclusion: The Evolving Nature of IFS Therapy and the Need for Continued Inquiry
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Plato, Republic
Richard Schwartz, No Bad Parts
Cece Sykes, Internal Family Systems Therapy for Addictions: Trauma-Informed, Compassion-Based Interventions for Substance Use, Eating, Gambling and More
Wizard of Oz (film)
Seth Allison
Kasra Mirzaie
Lucas Forstmeyer
Gedankenexperiment
Relevant Episodes
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
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Link to first video in the series: youtube.com/watch?v=7t9aQuj3n0o&t=251s
What does it mean to truly transcend the ego and embrace a transpersonal state of being?
In this episode of “Voices with Vervaeke,” John Vervaeke and Vivian Dittmar thoughtfully explore enlightenment, viewing it not as a final destination but as an ongoing journey of maturation and integration. They challenge conventional perspectives on enlightenment, proposing a more dynamic interplay between personal growth and spiritual awakening. By examining the delicate balance required to maintain higher states of consciousness while cultivating a healthy personal self, they illuminate the complexities of spiritual bypassing and the necessity of embracing imperfection. Their conversation explores the importance of aligning inner and outer worlds, the role of synchronicity, and the transformative power of confronting our own mortality. Join them as they unravel these intricate themes with intellectual rigor, poetic insight, and a commitment to deepening our understanding of what it means to lead a truly awakened life.
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00:00 Introduction: Exploring Transpersonal and Transegoic States
02:10 Navigating the Spectrum of Egoic and Transrational Consciousness
07:20 Beyond the Social Conscience: Discovering the Voice of the Soul
12:35 Exploring the Implicate Order and Transrational Ways of Knowing
19:00 Redefining Spiritual Awakening and the Mythology Surrounding It
23:25 Bridging the Gap between Inner and Outer Worlds through Wisdom and Virtue
32:20 Cultivating a Healthy Personal Self after Enlightenment
43:45 Beyond Spiritual Bypassing and the Pursuit of Perfection in the Journey Towards Wholeness
57:00 Facing Mortality: A Journey Towards Wholeness and Maturity
01:18:00 Conclusion: Reflections on Convergence, Gratitude, and the Quest for True Prosperity
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
The Death of Ivan Ilyich, by Leo Tolstoy
David Bohm
Plato
Carl Jung
Leo Tolstoy
Spinoza
Fallible Man, by Paul Ricoeur
Relevant Episodes
Exploring the Transrational: A Journey into the Realms of Consciousness with Vivian Dittmar youtube.com/watch?v=KSObTcQ6_Bg
Exploring Emotions and Transrational Wisdom with Vivian Dittmar youtube.com/watch?v=IQWLfOFe0lo
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
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Introduction to the Practice of Conscious Release signup.lebensweise.net/conscious-release-workshop
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Pascal Layman is a philosopher based in Northern Ontario, known for his groundbreaking work on the metaphysics of adjacency, the coaxial stages model, and metaprogressive politics.
Bruce Alderman is an accomplished musician, visual artist, and deep meditation practitioner. He is the producer of The Integral Stage podcast and the organizer of the Blue Sky Leadership Program at the California Institute for Integral Studies.
Does the universe hold inherent mystery, or is our scientific understanding merely inadequate?
In this episode of The Cognitive Science Show, John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques are joined by Layman Pascal and Bruce Alderman to reflect on the Transcendent Naturalism series and explore its potential for fostering collective transcendence. The discussion covers a range of topics, including the importance of ethical and relational dimensions in our understanding of the world, the role of art and meaning-making in a meta-modern context, and the layered ontology of nature. Join us to explore this fascinating approach to understanding how transcendent naturalism can shed light on our world and guide us toward a deeper sense of purpose.
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“IPS (Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality) wants to leave room for the interplay of transcendence and immanence, but without needing to posit an unthinkable outside to reality. It's in strong accord with transcendent naturalism in this regard." - Bruce Alderman [08:37]
"John's proposed simple move to arrive at an extended naturalism, getting science to more explicitly accept what it already presupposes, is genius. There's much more that could be said about that, but my simple response is bravo." - Bruce Alderman [08:49]
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0:00 - Introduction: Series Finale and Overview of Transcendent Naturalism Series
4:00 - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality and its Flexible Nature
14:10 - Influential Theories and Thinkers: Integrating Cognitive Science, Philosophy, and Transcendence
24:20 - Flexible Metaphysics and the Layered Ontology of Transcendent Naturalism
32:50 - Theology, Art, and Literature: Navigating the AGI and Meaning Crisis
39:20 - Participatory Spiritual Practices and Metaphysical Rituals
45:20 - Strong Transcendence with Preeminent Imminence
53:40 - The Role of Art and Narrative in Transcendent Naturalism
57:00 - Cultivating a Transformative Curriculum: Reimagining Institutional Roles in Spiritual Growth
1:10:20 - Conclusion: Culminating Thoughts and Future Pathways
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How can ancient faith traditions adapt to the complexities of the modern world?
In this episode of Voices with Vervaeke, John Vervaeke and Brendan Graham Dempsey explore the potential for metamodern spirituality to breathe new life into the Christian faith. Dempsey shares his transformative journey from traditional beliefs to a metamodern perspective that integrates ancient doctrines with contemporary thought. Their discussion addresses challenging issues such as historical and postmodern critiques of the Bible, the complex relationship between faith and science, and the psychological underpinnings of religious practices. This conversation aims to rejuvenate our understanding of Christianity and enrich our engagement with reality, setting the stage for future dialogues on the essence of God and the sacred.
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"I'm interested in the ways that spirituality begins to dovetail with the sciences, where that antagonism many of us are familiar with is transcended and healed in a profound way." - Brendan Graham Dempsey [00:04:00]
"We need the language of explaining because the language of explaining is the language of science. If we don't have a properly cultivated language of explaining, the gulf between spirituality and science will remain. That is one of the significant drivers of the meaning crisis." - John Vervaeke [00:15:33]
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0:00 Introduction: Brendan's Christian Roots and Academic Journey
06:20 Modern and Postmodern Biblical Critiques
10:15 Metamodern Christianity and Its Challenges
13:40 Training vs. Explaining in Religious Contexts
20:45 Bridging Historical Jesus and Imaginal Christ
43:05 Faith, Maturation, and the Interplay of Training and Explanation
51:50 Imaginal Recovery and Theological Continuity
01:02:45 Navigating Order and Chaos: Spiritual Growth Dynamics
01:27:30 Conclusion: Exploring the Numinous - God, Sacredness, and Ultimate Reality
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The Meaning of Meaning | Transcendent Naturalism #7 youtube.com/watch?v=dYdosNIsWvE
The Future of Faith | Transcendent Naturalism #8 youtube.com/watch?v=eqoYk3BgeF4
Unlocking the Mysteries of Meaning: An Intellectual Odyssey youtube.com/watch?v=7gI0MgKpokM
The Artful Scaling of the Religion that is not a religion w/ Layman Pascal & Brendan Graham Dempsey
youtube.com/watch?v=rAnLbaFHYWQ
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Ideas, Authors, and Works Mentioned in This Episode:
Metamodernism
Transcendent Naturalism
Jesus of Nazareth
Biblical Studies
Postmodern Critiques
Nietzsche
Foucault
Derrida
Spinoza
Plato
Xenophon
Aristophanes
Solon
Aristotle
Henry IV, V, and IV (Shakespeare)
Shakespeare’s early works
Plato's Socrates
H.G. Gadamer
T.S. Eliot
J.R.R. Tolkien
C.S. Lewis
G.W.F. Hegel
J.L. Schellenberg
J.Campbell
C.Jung
Jordan Peterson
Jared Morningstar
Dr. Johannes A. Niederhauser (Halkyon Academy)
J.A.S. Kelso
Paul (Apostle)
Brian McLaren
D.C. Schindler
Paul Vander Klay
The Language of Coaching by Nick Winkelman
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Bonnita Roy is the founder of Alderlore Insight Center, a non-profit educational organization and the curator of The POP-UP School, an online learning community exploring new ways of thinking and acting.
Alexander Bard is a philosopher and futurist specializing in the relationship between humanity and technology, with a profound interest in psychoanalysis and anthropology to understand the impact of technological change on interpersonal relationships.
What drives our social connections and sense of belonging? Recorded live at UTOK Consilience Conference 2024, this episode features Gregg Henriques, Alexander Bard, Bonnitta Roy, and John Vervaeke examining the convergences and fault lines between transcendent naturalism and emergentism and the profound implications these theories have on our understanding of reality. By critiquing materialism, idealism, and dualism, the panel advocates for a new 21st-century philosophical framework that integrates Eastern and Western insights, emphasizing relationalism and dialectical thinking. Enriched with references to thinkers like Hegel, Whitehead, Nietzsche, and Deleuze, this dialogue explores the roles of cognitive science, spirituality, and community practices. Join this journey to uncover the essence of ultimate reality and the transformative potential of sacredness while underscoring the importance of humility, love, and pragmatic approaches to contemporary challenges.
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00:00 Introduction: Setting the Stage for Transcendent Naturalism and Emergentism
03:30 John Vervaeke: Outline of Transcendent Naturalism
19:45 Bonnitta Roy's Perspective on Naturalism and Stratified Reality
32:00 Alexander Bard on the Necessity of Metaphysics and Transcendent Emergentism
48:00 Group Dialogue on UTOC Framework and Integrating Perspectives
01:11:00 Exploring Zoofism and the Philosophical Silk Road
01:18:45 Q&A: Integrating Transcendental Emergentism with Science and Philosophy
01:31:10 Alexander Bard on Integrating Hegel with Modern Thinkers
01:33:50 Ontology of Pure Relationality and the Future of Digital Networks and Decentralization
01:40:05 Stability, Relational Thinking, and Dynamic Systems
01:43:30 Final Thoughts and Reflections: Convergences and Future Directions
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Evan Thompson
Adam Frank
Marcelo Gleiser
James Blachowicz
Alicia Juarrero
Wolfgang Smith
Aspects of Truth: A New Religious Metaphysics by Catherine Pickstock
Willard Van Orman Quine
Hilary Putnam
Quine-Duhem
Immanuel Kant
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
James J. Gibson
Martin Heidegger
James Filler
Kyoto School
John L. Schellenberg
Roy Bhaskar
Sabine Hossenfelder
Eric Weinstein
Alfred North Whitehead
Friedrich Nietzsche
Henri Bergson
Dan Chiappe
Matt Segall
Bruno Latour
Diana Fosha
Gilles Deleuze
Process and Event by Alexander Bard and Jan Söderqvist
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Rachel Hayden is a magpie of the Liminal Web, and occasional collaborator with people like John, Gregg Henriques, and Alexander Bard. Her background includes somatics, meditative and contemplative practice, and peer-based mental health
How can we heal and transform ourselves through embodied practices and the relational field? In this episode of Voices with Vervaeke, Tataya Bailey and Rachel Hayden join John Vervaeke to explore the transformative power of relational practices on personal growth and healing. They delve into the balance between structure and spontaneity, discuss handling trauma, and emphasize the significance of attention and attunement in fostering authentic connections. This episode highlights the beauty of human connection and the endless possibilities for transformation.
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"I discovered capacities in me that I didn't even know I had." - Tataya Bailey [00:06:30]
"The experiences ranged from incredibly profound and bequeathing of a new dharma for me, all the way to working through shadow stuff, having alternate childhood experiences, and working through archetypal symbolism and tribal imagery between people. It was all like welcome there, and it was all material for that relationality, which I found so beautiful and so accessible to me." - Rachel Hayden [00:12:00]
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00:00 Introduction: Exploring Relational Practices
08:35 Rachel’s Prisma Experience: Embracing Vulnerability and Transformation
13:45 The Structure and Values of Prisma: Balancing Spontaneity and Containment
21:10 How Prisma Unlocks Relational Potential: Recovering Lost Parts and Deepening Connection
40:05 Attention and Attunement: Harmonizing Individuation and Participation
43:50 The Musicality of Relational Practices: The Dance of Metaphors and Sacred Rituals
50:50 Navigating Trauma and Safety in Relational Work
01:00:00 Embracing Discomfort: The Journey from Propositional to Participatory Connection
01:04:50 Re-exaptation and the Imaginal: The Role of Aporia in Transformative Practices
01:12:10 Final Thoughts and Future Aspirations
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Ideas, Authors, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Alanja Forsberg - Avalon Community
Alexander Bard
Seth Allison - IFS
James Carse - Infinite Game
Andrew Huberman
Kerry Ressler
Robert Kegan
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Are we on the brink of a new era of enlightenment or facing the rise of an existential threat? In this episode, John Vervaeke and Mahon McCann delve into the intricate relationship between artificial intelligence and the human search for meaning. They explore the potential of AI to act as a tool for personal and collective transformation, but also examine the challenges of creating AI that truly understands and respects our values. From predictive processing and relevance realization to Plato's cave allegory, this episode offers a fascinating exploration of the intersection between AI and human consciousness.
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"Attention is like a spotlight you shine on things. When you shine your attention on them, they stand out and keep your attention." - John Vervaeke [00:02:12]
“So much of this first generation of AI is an environment, the large scale curation algorithms of social media are what's organizing our experience online. It's not a human being, but it's playing this role of orchestrating a lot of our experience and people's development. And so creating an optimal AI or an optimal environment would be trying to foster optimal agency, optimal meaning, which is really optimal wellbeing as well.” -Mahon McCann [00:38:23]
“I think part of steeling the culture is to get the people within the AI industry [to] drop the sorcerer myth. Drop it. Disidentify with it. Take up the sage mythology. Take that up. That is the way we can do what you want, but in a way that isn't going to set us on a path to destruction. -John Vervaeke [00:59:16]
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0:00 Introduction to AI Alignment and the Meaning Crisis
1:00 Predictive Processing and Relevance Realization
2:00 Beyond the Spotlight Metaphor: New Models of Attention
6:30 Integrating Predictive Processing with Relevance Realization
23:00 Agency, Meaning, and the Self-Organizing Mind
29:20 Autopoiesis, Agency, and Plato's Insights
31:25 Predictive Processing, Motivation, Vertical Alignment, and Horizontal Anticipation
35:05 Optimal Agency, Collective Intelligence, and Persuasive Technologies
37:40 AI as Agents vs. AI as Environment
39:45 The Challenge of Aligning AI with Human Flourishing
53:15 Creating a New Sacredness in the Digital Age
59:44 Concluding Thoughts on Navigating AI Development: Embracing Choice Points, Wisdom, and Foresight for a Collectively Beneficial Future
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Ideas, Authors, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Predictive processing and relevance realization: exploring convergent solutions to the frame problem - Brett Andersen, Mark Miller, John Vervaeke
Ken Lowry
D.C. Schindler
Jonathan Pageau
Mark Miller
Rick Repetti
Attention Is Cognitive Unison: An Essay in Philosophical Psychology - Christopher Mole
Feature-integration theory of attention - Anne Treisman
Metaphors We Live By - George Lakoff and Mark Johnson
Attention Metaphors: How Metaphors Guide the Cognitive Psychology of Attention - Diego Fernandez-Duque, Mark Johnson
William James
Andy Clark
Phenomenology of Perception - Maurice Merleau-Ponty
Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience - Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Lev Vygotsky
The Republic - Plato
Theory of motivation
Mentoring the Machines - John Vervaeke and Shawn Coyne
Free-Energy Minimising Agents and Beneficial A.I.: Ambient Smart Environments, Allostasis, and Metacognitive Control - Ben White and Mark Miller
Tristan Harris
Heidegger
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The Crossroads of Predictive Processing and Relevance Realization | Leiden Symposium - youtube.com/watch?v=51wcY39ouGs
AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist - youtube.com/watch?v=A-_RdKiDbz4&list=PLND1JCRq8Vui2YOOfrxbeRwJk5jZPmAth&index=1
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Andrew Sweeny is an educator, writer, musician, and podcaster who currently teaches at Sciences Po University in Paris and serves as an editor at Parallax magazine.
Christopher Mastropietro is a philosophical writer who is fascinated by dialogue, symbols, and the concept of self. He actively contributes to the Vervaeke Foundation.
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Authors, Ideas, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Mere Christianity - C. S. Lewis
Nothingness Beyond God: An Introduction to the Philosophy of Nishida Kitaro, by Robert Edgar Carter
Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis, co-authored by Christopher Mastropietro
Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being, by James Filler
Iain McGilchrist
Daniel Schmachtenberger
Bishop Maximus
Paul Vander Klay
T.S. Eliot
Jordan Peterson
Sallie McFague
Richard Dawkins
Carl Jung
Søren Kierkegaard
Jacob Howland
Douglas Hedley
Jordan Hall
“The more people I'm talking to—high caliber, high quality people in this whole arena—the advent of the sacred as a response to the meaning crisis is a growing theme. I have found myself more and more called into service to doing whatever I can to afford the advent of that.” - John Vervaeke [00:02:00]
"Nobody lives on the Silk Road; people move along it." - John Vervaeke [00:03:37]
"The idea of the Silk Road, to me, is that the wandering, and the traveling, and the encountering different influences, and the metabolizing of a lingua philosophica helps to create a space within oneself into which that inward process can pour itself, discover itself, and metabolize itself." - Christopher Mastropietro [00:10:57]
“The more I engage with this work, the more I realize that so much of the dawning consciousness of our encounter with the sacred is ultimately a process that happens to us. It occurs to us. We can bring consciousness to bear on it, and augment it, and make space for it, and inquire within it in such a way as to invite it.” - Christopher Mastropietro [00:11:23]
0:00 Embracing the Philosophical Silk Road: From Top-Down Religion to an Organic Spiritual Path
17:00 On the Philosophical Silk Road: An Interfaith Journey, Personal Transformation, and Confronting Idolatry
28:30 Beyond the Culture War: Embracing Authentic Dialogue and the Embodiment of Beliefs
35:40 The Unresolvable Dialogue: Embracing the Infinite Game Between Socrates and Jesus
44:10 Rediscovering the Essence of Faith: Beyond Doctrine to Personal Transformation
56:00 The Wildness of the Sacred: Recognizing and Integrating Spontaneous Spiritual Experiences
1:02:50 Philosophical and Sacred Synergies: Bridging the Divide through Love and Wisdom
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Can cognitive science, philosophy, and mysticism hold the keys to resolving our modern meaning crisis?
Join John Vervaeke and Evan Thompson in a captivating exploration of how these disciplines converge to address this pressing issue. The conversation showcases Thompson's interdisciplinary approach, drawing from his work on 'The Blind Spot' and his extensive background in Asian philosophy and phenomenology. Gain fresh perspectives on the essence of lived experience, the power of relevance realization, and the nature of reality as the discussion unfolds. Prepare for an intellectual journey that promises to deepen our understanding of truth, goodness, and beauty and bridge the gaps between diverse intellectual traditions.
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Immerse yourself in the groundbreaking insights of Evan Thompson's thought-provoking book, "The Blind Spot: Why Science Cannot Ignore Human Experience.” amazon.com/Blind-Spot-Science-Cannot-Experience/dp/0262048809
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“"The blind spot is the inability to see, or to recognize, or to acknowledge that lived experience is the source of science. And so if you undercut the source of science by occluding lived experience, you're actually damaging science." - Evan Thompson [00:19:34]
"The process of formalization of translating things into a formal system is always an ill-defined problem that requires relevance realization." - John Vervaeke [00:30:52]
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00:00 Introduction to Evan Thompson and 'The Blind Spot'
01:05 Evan Thompson's Background and Philosophical Journey
02:10 Diving Into 'The Blind Spot': A Book on the Meaning Crisis
09:30 Exploring Core Ideas and Arguments of 'The Blind Spot'
18:15 Addressing the Meaning Crisis: Science, Experience, and Reality
18:55 Navigating Between Science Triumphalism and Denial
21:30 The Role of Experience in Understanding Reality
31:25 Challenging the Bifurcation of Nature and the 'View from Nowhere'
38:45 Sacredness, Reality, and the Meaning Crisis
40:30 Exploring the Sacred Beyond Science
41:55 Exploring the Depths of the Sacred and Ultimate Concern: Secular vs. Transcendental Perspectives
47:45 The Axial Revolution and Its Impact on Modern Consciousness
56:45 Challenges and Opportunities in Bridging Science and Mysticism
59:54 Philosophical Reflections on Truth, Beauty, and the Good
01:11:10 Concluding Thoughts and Future Dialogues
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Idea, Authors, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
The Blind Spot: Why Science Cannot Ignore Human Experience - book co-authored by Evan Thompson, Adam Frank, and Marcelo Gleiser
Waking, Dreaming, Being: Self and Consciousness in Neuroscience, Meditation, and Philosophy - book by Evan Thompson
Why I Am Not a Buddhist - book by Evan Thompson
Contact with Reality - book by Esther Lightcap Meek
The Nothingness Beyond God - book by Robert Edgar Carter
Maurice Merleau-Ponty
Edmund Husserl
Martin Heidegger
William James
Galileo Galilei
Nishida Kitaro
Alfred North Whitehead
Nancy Cartwright
René Descartes
Robert Kreese
Paul Tillich
Michael Polanyi
Michael Schellenberger
Susan Wolf
Ursula Goodenough
Immanuel Kant
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In a world that often trivializes love and deep connections, how can we cultivate a life of wisdom, virtue, and transcendence amidst our finite existence and growing polarization?
Join John Vervaeke and Elizabeth Oldfield in a profound dialogue that explores these critical themes of human existence, drawing from Platonic to Christian thought and emphasizing the transformative power of dialogical reasoning, cognitive flexibility, and awe. Elizabeth Oldfield shares insights from her book 'Fully Alive,' an Augustinian blend of autobiographical confession and psycho-spiritual reflection that highlights relational living and the transformative power of love. The conversation addresses the trivialization of love in modern culture and advocates for a deeper understanding while navigating the complexities of polarization in politics, the comparison between psychedelic and spiritual experiences, and the intrinsic value of community and wisdom traditions in achieving a virtuous life. Discover the necessity of grounding transformative experiences in communal practices for genuine personal and societal transformation in this thought-provoking discussion.
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“I can close my eyes now and know myself’s seen, and the deep knowing of the presence of love in my life and the way that every other moment of love, and encounter, and intimacy reflects that is the ground of my being.” - Elizabeth Oldfield [00:32:48]
"Wisdom is about this loving enhancement of our connectedness. The wise person can go into a complex, messy, ill-defined situation and home in on what's relevant, summoning their agency in the right way so that they are properly responsible." - John Vervaeke [00:31:04]
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0:00 Introduction to Voices with Vervaeke: Elizabeth Oldfield'
1:30 Elizabeth Oldfield: Life, Faith, and the Quest for Existential Satisfaction
2:50 Exploring 'Fully Alive': Deep Dialogues on Belonging, Soul, and Existential Satisfaction
6:05 Plato's Insights on the Psyche, Inner Conflict, and the Pursuit of Inner Fullness
10:20 The Quest for Inner Peace, Wisdom, and Understanding Sin
14:20 The Interplay of Love, Wisdom, and the Divine in the Pursuit of Fully Aliveness
27:15 Unpacking the Realization of the Really Real: Connectedness, Love, and Presence
45:50 Identity, Cultural Scripts, and the Tension between Faith and Intellect
47:45 Expanding Our Understanding of Intelligence, Reality, and the Role of Attention
1:00:40 The Challenge of Authentic Love, Reverence, and Awe in a Trivialized World
1:13:10 Reverence, Awe, and the Cultivation of Virtue on the Path to Wisdom
1:22:50 Concluding Reflections on Love, Wisdom, and the Pursuit of Fully Aliveness
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Authors, Ideas, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Plato
Freud
Pascal
Dialogos
Kenosis
Thumos
Homo Inconvartis in Se
Plato’s Dialogues
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Have you ever wondered about the impact of our environment on our cognition and ability to connect with others? In this episode of Voice with Vervaeke, John and Kyle explore the integration of dialogical practices within natural settings, the psychological and communal impacts of such practices, and the potential for deep listening to forge powerful, transformative experiences.
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"Memory is about the future. It’s not about the past. Memories reconstruct and reconfigure in powerful, often unconscious ways to improve your ability to foresee in a relevant, realizing manner, the future." - John Vervaeke [25:13]
"Rituals only matter to the degree to which they transfer broadly and deeply into many domains in your life and transfer broadly and deeply into many layers of your psyche." - John Vervaeke [57:27]
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0:00 Rekindling Connections: Dialogue and Nature
4:50 Environmental Impact on Cognition: Embodied Practices and Deep Listening
13:10 Evolutionary Impact of Campfires: Hypnosis, Shared Attention, and Ritual for Cognition and Connectedness
11:00 The Role of Deep Listening in Dialogical Practices
22:50 Ritual and Long-Term Change: Reconstructive Memory and Internalizing Wise Spirit
29:30 The Role of Place and Virtual Reality in Storytelling and Evolutionary Constraints
32:40 Navigating Virtual Technology: Maladaptations and the Importance of Wisdom in Epistemic Vulnerability
41:00 The Evolution of Evolvability
50:00 The Power of Pilgrimage and Serious Play
59:30 Language and Expression of Transformation: Connectivity, Aliveness, and the We Space
1:06:40 Conclusion and Upcoming Opportunities for Embodied Experiences
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Terri Dentry is a distinguished PhD graduate in interprofessional practice, dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional medical practices and holistic wellness approaches. With a keen focus on patient empowerment and integrated health solutions, Terri advocates for a healthcare model that values dialogical reasoning and personal journey understanding, aiming to transform patient care into a collaborative, multidimensional experience. If you’d like to reach out to Terri to share your own personal story or thoughts, please feel free to email her at terri@thinkred.com.au.
Aspasia Karageorge, DCP, is a seasoned clinical psychologist with advanced degrees from the University of Sydney and the University of Otago. She serves as a Research Associate at the Brain and Mind Centre of the University of Sydney, where she focuses on qualitative research in novel mental health interventions and medical education. To explore more about her extensive work and insights, visit her website at aspasiapsychology.com/siapsychology.com or follow her on YouTube at youtube.com/channel/UC3ATJzuK4STHGSuv4m8m_uw . For details on her clinical services and to book consultations, visit her private practice at https://sydneycitypsychology.com.au/.
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Quotes:
"ISTDP stands for Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy, a therapy developed by Dr. Davanloo in the 60s. Essentially, it views chronic pain as a defense against emotional experience." - Aspasia Karageorge [00:06:00]
"Socialization of pain and how our narrative bias is driving a lot of this... the narrative bias coming from the early childhood experiences, and that providing the bias to what we are thinking, giving us a filter of how we are then relating to these things as we go forward in life." - Terri Dentry [00:38:04]
“Modeling goes deeper in the brain than propositions.” - John Vervaeke [00:59:20]
Glossary of Terms:
ISTDP: Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy, a form of therapy focusing on emotional experience.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction: Unpacking Emotions, Chronic Pain, and Rationality in Therapy
00:10:00 - Exploring the Socialization of Pain and Emotion's Role
00:15:00 - ISTDP and the Emotional Landscape: Understanding Pain as Emotional Distraction
00:24:20 - Restoring Agency and Emotional Insight: Pathways to Healing in Psychotherapy
00:43:00 - Integrating Therapies: Towards a Holistic Approach to Emotional and Physical Healing
01:07:20 - Conclusion: Embracing Complexity: Transformative Insights from ISTDP Therapy
Join Dr. Vervaeke and Christopher Mastropietro in a LIVE Q&A exploring the Literature of the Meaning Crisis
Bios and Links:
Dr. Brian Keating is the Chancellor’s Distinguished Professor of Physics at UC San Diego, specializing in cosmic microwave background research to explore the universe's origins. An acclaimed writer, his book "Losing the Nobel Prize" is an Amazon Editors' favorite. He excels as a public speaker, inventor, and podcaster. Explore more at his website, briankeating.com follow him on Twitter, twitter.com/DrBrianKeating or watch his insights on YouTube, youtube.com/DrBrianKeating.
Shawn Coyne, creator of Story Grid, brings over three decades of publishing expertise, notably with the Big Five publishers, as an independent publisher, literary agent, and head of Genre Management Inc. Dive into his editing method and explore more at storygrid.com/.
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Mentoring the Machines: Orientation - Part One: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne amazon.com/Mentoring-Machines-Orientation-Artificially-Intelligent/dp/1645010821
Mentoring the Machines: Origins - Part 2: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne amazon.com/Mentoring-Machines-Surviving-Artificially-Intelligent/dp/B0CH25KPD3
John Vervaeke Video Essay: AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist youtube.com/watch?v=A-_RdKiDbz4&list=PLND1JCRq8VugvT4VYz52DQHxz6vxhRTHw
Quotes:
"We should really be framing artificial intelligence as a mentoring of intelligent beings who have the capability and potentialities of becoming even perhaps better than we are." - Shawn Coyne [00:05:52]
"It's only when you have genuine intelligence for the actual system or entity itself—an autopoietic system—a system that cares about information because it's taking care of itself in a moment by moment basis. Only then could you have something that would actually care about what's going on—the true, the good, or the beautiful." - John Vervaeke [00:15:05]
Glossary of Terms:
AGI (Artificial General Intelligence): A level of artificial intelligence that can understand, learn, and apply knowledge across a wide range of tasks at a level of competence comparable to or surpassing that of a human.
Relevance Realization: The process by which cognitive beings determine what information is relevant to their goals and what is not.
Autopoiesis: The property of a living system (such as a bacterial cell or a multicellular organism) that allows it to maintain and renew itself.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:45 - The Genesis of "Mentoring the Machines"
00:08:50 - AI, Psychology, and the Alignment Problem
00:16:40 - The Evolution of Editing and Publishing in the AI Era
00:21:00 - Bridging Knowledge and Wisdom
00:29:00 - Einstein, Imagination, and AI's Emotional Depth
00:37:30 - Deciphering Consciousness: AI and the Hard Problem
00:44:40 - Educational Evolution: AI, Pedagogy, and the Future of Teaching
00:53:50 - AI's Impact on Personalized Storytelling
00:58:30 - AI, Psychology, and the Future of Psychotherapy
01:04:20 - Conclusion
Guest Bio and Links:
Terri Dentry is a distinguished PhD graduate in interprofessional practice, dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional medical practices and holistic wellness approaches. With a keen focus on patient empowerment and integrated health solutions, Terri advocates for a healthcare model that values dialogical reasoning and personal journey understanding, aiming to transform patient care into a collaborative, multidimensional experience. If you’d like to reach out to Terri to share your own personal story or thoughts, please feel free to email her at terri@thinkred.com.au.
Tim Adalin, founder of Voicecraft, explores the intricate dynamics between participation and transformation. His philosophical inquiry spans metaphysics, consciousness, and identity, underpinning Voicecraft's mission to enrich dialogue on complex modern challenges. You can learn more about Tim Adalin through his website, https://www.timadalin.xyz/, follow him on YouTube, youtube.com/channel/UCKeq9IUfzw-QvDKP7N9K8rw and on his Substack, timadalin.substack.com/.
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Redefining Healing: The Synergy of Psychedelic Integration and Interprofessional Practice youtube.com/watch?v=5o87S6GtVn8&t=30s
Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch youtube.com/watch?v=Lzug-jtx1PA&t=224s
Mere Christianity - C. S. Lewis amazon.com/Mere-Christianity-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652926
Quotes:
"This is not something about this immediate moment of chronic pain requiring a healing process. This is a worldview issue that is happening to all of us from the very start." - Terri Dentry [00:14:22]
"We're trying to get away from some of the fundamental ways in which agency is being implicitly understood or misunderstood in regular medical practice, and restore a proper appreciation of agency." - John Vervaeke [00:09:57]
"Partly what this conversation is pointing to is that there's going to be a different kind of tension essentially immediately experienced when entering into a different relational context." - Tim Adalin [01:11:20]
Glossary of Terms:
Synoptic Integration: The integration of diverse perspectives and modalities to achieve a comprehensive understanding and healing approach.
Interprofessional Practice: Collaboration between practitioners from different disciplines for holistic patient care.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction, Research Background, and the "Seeing More" Project
00:03:50 - Transformational Journeys and the Power of Shared Pain, Vulnerability, and Relationality
00:11:36 - Agency and Relationality in Medical Practice
00:17:09 - Embodying the Meaning Crisis: Trauma, Narratives, and the Healing Process
00:28:43 - The Pivot Problem: Balancing Finitude and Transcendence in the Healing Journey
00:34:03 - Criticisms of Therapy and the Need for a Shared Worldview
00:44:12 - Dialogos and the Philosophical Silk Road Project
00:54:05 - The Significance of Dialogical Reasoning in Daily Life and Medical Interactions
01:03:34 - Building Structures for Belonging and Support: Challenges and Solutions
01:12:36 - Conclusion: Interprofessional Clinics and the Complexity of Shared Decision-Making
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"Literature of Meaning Crisis," an upcoming course by John Vervaeke, beckons you into the rich world of literature, unveiling the beauty that lights our quest for meaning. This journey goes beyond plot twists and cliffhangers. John Vervaeke will act as our literary guide, helping us unearth the deeper messages hidden within these narratives. He believes that philosophical arguments alone cannot resolve the meaning crisis; rather, it is the allure of beauty in literature that entices us to embrace wisdom. This beauty bridges the gap between the conceptual and non-conceptual aspects of philosophy, with literary devices such as metaphors, symbols, themes, and narrative structures serving as our guides.
Join us on an 8-week exploration of pivotal works by literary giants like Melville, Conrad, and Dostoevsky, figures who have given voice to the existential struggles of modern individuals and their encounters with the numinous. Each 2-hour session promises enriching lectures and thought-provoking discussions. The course features novels such as "Moby Dick" by Herman Melville, "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad, and "The Death of Ivan Illych" by Leo Tolstoy, culminating in a week dedicated to poetry, including works like "Dover Beach" by Matthew Arnold and "The Second Coming" by William Butler Yeats.
The Literature of Meaning Crisis course will be held every Monday from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. EDT, starting April 29th and concluding July 1st, 2024, with no sessions on June 3rd or June 10th.
Embark on a transformative journey and join John Vervaeke on this exploration into the depths of human meaning. Space is limited—secure your spot today at awakentomeaning.com/courses-training/.
Special Invitation: Don’t miss the opportunity to join John Vervaeke for a live Q&A session on YouTube about the “Literature of Meaning Crisis” course on April 11, 2024, from 1:30-3:00pm EDT. This is your chance to ask questions, gain insights, and connect directly before beginning this transformative exploration.
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Gregg Henriques, Ph.D., is a professor of graduate psychology at James Madison University and founder of the Unified Theory of Knowledge unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/. Discover more about Henriques through his website http://www.gregghenriques.com, and follow his insights on Twitter at twitter.com/henriqgx.
Michael Levin, Ph.D., is a distinguished professor and director of the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts University, specializing in developmental biology and biophysics. His pioneering research explores the bioelectric patterns that guide growth and form. Explore Levin's groundbreaking work on his lab's website, drmichaellevin.org and follow his latest discoveries on Twitter at twitter.com/drmichaellevin.
Justin McSweeny is the visionary host of the Idea Cast Interview Series, where he facilitates thought-provoking discussions on a wide array of intellectual topics. Access episodes on his YouTube channel, youtube.com/@ideacastilluminate and connect with him for updates on LinkedIn, linkedin.com/in/justin-mcsweeny-ba69ab162/.
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Awaken to Meaning
awakentomeaning.com
Transcendent Naturalism Ep. 1 | Dr. John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques
youtube.com/watch?v=HJey6aLkSxs&t=46s
The Elusive I - Part 1 - The Cognitive Science Show youtube.com/watch?v=_Fnmp6UVafM&t=19s
Levin, M. (2019). The Computational Boundary of a “Self”: Developmental Bioelectricity Drives
Multicellularity and Scale-Free Cognition. Frontiers in Psychology, 10. doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.02688
Vervaeke, J., Lillicrap, T. P., & Richards, B. A. (2009, October 26). Relevance Realization and the Emerging Framework in Cognitive Science. Journal of Logic and Computation. doi.org/10.1093/logcom/exp067
Transformative Experience - L. A. Paul amazon.com/Transformative-Experience-L-Paul/dp/0198777310
Quotes:
"What biology does is assumes that you can't just learn the structure of the past. You have to make problem-solving agents." - Michael Levin [00:39:10]
"When you're modeling the world, you're always, to some degree, modeling yourself; and as you're modeling yourself, you're always, to some degree, modeling the world. The two are interpenetrating." - John Vervaeke [00:16:30]
Glossary of Terms:
Cognitive Light Cone: A conceptual framework used to describe the spatial and temporal limits of an entity's cognition, determining what it can perceive and influence.
Relational Frame Theory (RFT): A theory of human language and cognition that focuses on how humans learn and how language interacts with cognition.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Introduction and the Balance Between Imaginal and Empirical
00:02:00 - Understanding Complexification through Layered Ontology
00:04:30 - The Evolution of Goal-Directed Behavior and Cognitive Light Cones
00:12:30 - Recursive Relevance, Predictive Processing, and Mutual Modeling
00:30:00 - Addressing the Crisis of Meaning through Diverse Intelligence
00:38:00 - Transformative Experiences: Reconstructing Self and Reality
00:52:00 - Rationality, Dialogical Self, and Evolutionary Perspectives
01:16:00 - Conclusion: Interdisciplinary Dialogue and Final Reflections
Guest Bio and Links:
Kasra Mirzaie is a psychotherapist, researcher, and educator with a focus on emotion regulation and developmental psychopathology. Kasra brings a unique perspective to the discussion, combining clinical experience with a deep interest in philosophical psychology and meaning-making processes.
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Voices with Vervaeke:
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
Chronic Pain, Trust, and Ethics: A Conversation with Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch youtube.com/watch?v=Lzug-jtx1PA
Many Minds, One Self: Evidence for a Radical Shift in Paradigm - Richard C. Schwartz amazon.com/Many-Minds-One-Self-Evidence/dp/0692957340
Phenomenological Bioethics: Medical Technologies, Human Suffering, and the Meaning of Being Alive - Fredrik Svenaeus amazon.com/Phenomenological-Bioethics-Medical-Technologies-Suffering/dp/1138629960
Thomas Fuchs:
In Defence of the Human Being: Foundational Questions of an Embodied Anthropology amazon.com/Defence-Human-Being-Foundational-Anthropology/dp/0192898191
Ecology of the Brain: The phenomenology and biology of the embodied mind (International Perspectives in Philosophy and Psychiatry) amazon.com/Ecology-Brain-phenomenology-International-Perspectives/dp/0199646880
Somatic Internal Family Systems Therapy: Awareness, Breath, Resonance, Movement, and Touch in Practice--Endorsed by top experts in therapeutic healing modalities - Susan McConnell amazon.com/Practitioners-Guide-Somatic-IFS-Therapy/dp/1623174880
Simurgh: A Journey in Search of the Truth - Azar Aryanpour amazon.com/Simurgh-Journey-Search-Azar-Aryanpour/dp/1414023650
Quotes:
“My take on IFS is that it's actually a model of the living, in self-organizing psyche that is composed of living things. Those interact with each other in a certain qualitative space and relationship that we would call the self.” - Kasra Mirzaie [00:05:09]
“The body is really fundamental to keeping us anchored to the world... if we train the mind to properly listen, it can act as a significant counterbalance to spiritual bypassing and hubristic self-deception." - John Vervaeke, paraphrasing Merleau-Ponty [01:13:45]
Glossary of Terms:
Internal Family Systems (IFS): A therapeutic approach that recognizes and addresses multiple sub-personalities or parts within each individual.
The Imaginal: A concept referring to a creative and transformative space that goes beyond mere imagination, facilitating deep healing and self-discovery.
Chapters:
[00:00:00] - Introduction to Kasra Mirzaie: Insights into Psychotherapy, Research, and IFS
[00:08:18] - Enhancing Self-Awareness: Salience, Perspective-Taking, and the Journey Within
[00:17:38] - Bridging Kant and Vervaeke: Participatory Knowing and the Self in IFS
[00:30:29] - Mythos and Identity: Cultural Echoes and the Role of the Imaginal in Healing
[00:42:43] - IFS and Modern Psychotherapy: Addressing Mental Health and Meaning
[00:53:29] - Socratic Integration in IFS: Bridging Reflection and Healing Within a Pedagogical Framework
[01:07:13] - Addressing Self-Deception in IFS: Integrating Embodiment and Community Feedback
[01:14:42] - Conclusion: Reflecting on IFS, Philosophy, and the Journey Ahead
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Guest Bio and Links:
Jordan Hall is a technology entrepreneur with several years of experience building disruptive companies. He is interested in philosophy, artificial intelligence, and complex systems and has a background in law. Hall has worked for several technology companies and was the founder and CEO of DivX. He is currently involved in various think tanks and institutes and is focused on upgrading humanity's capacity for thought and action.
Listeners can learn more about Jordan Hall on his YouTube channel, youtube.com/channel/UCMzT-mdCqoyEv_-YZVtE7MQ his Medium, medium.com/deep-code, and on Twitter, twitter.com/jgreenhall
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Faith in Dialogue: Exploring Christian Virtues in a Diverse World with Jordan Hall Part 1 youtube.com/watch?v=e-e6_426Uzs
The Religion of Tomorrow | Transcendent Naturalism #11 with Gregg Henriques and Jordan Hall youtube.com/watch?v=JmOmwLWziAc
Practical Eschatology | Transcendent Naturalism #12 with Gregg Henriques and Jordan Hall youtube.com/watch?v=n5UA5jCtGXI
Embodiment and the Metacrisis with Rafe Kelley youtube.com/watch?v=PVJztMRSeek&t=307s
The Blind Spot: Why Science Cannot Ignore Human Experience - Adam Frank, Marcelo Gleiser, Evan Thompson
amazon.com/-/he/Adam-Frank/dp/0262048809
The Mind of Whitehead: Adventure in Ideas - Roland Faber amazon.com/Mind-Whitehead-Adventure-Ideas/dp/1666735485
Depths As Yet Unspoken - Roland Faber, Andrew M Davis amazon.com/Depths-Yet-Unspoken-Roland-Faber/dp/1725252619
Hall, J. (2018, November 8). An inquiry concerning science and religion. Medium. medium.com/deep-code/an-inquiry-concerning-science-and-religion-a2998ba1a496
Quotes:
"The scientific worldview requires that you step away from the experiment, observe as an objective fact, and then coordinate with other potential subjects on an increasing precision of your ability to articulate facts about objective reality." - Jordan Hall [00:17:40]
“Understanding faith as belief is inadequate. Trying to understand what science does as just the propositional manipulation of belief is wrong for all kinds of reasons.” - John Vervaeke [00:46:48]
Glossary of Terms:
Meta-Crisis: The complex, interwoven crises threatening global civilization and human flourishing.
Scientific Worldview: The perspective that emphasizes empirical evidence and rational analysis, often overshadowing subjective and experiential knowledge.
Chapters:
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Recap of Dialogos
[00:03:15] - Navigating the Meta-Crisis: Beyond the Scientific Worldview
[00:10:40] - Meta-Crisis, Scientific Worldview, and Christianity's Transformation
[00:19:11] - Dissecting First-Person Experience in a Third-Person Dominated Culture
[00:22:38] - The Influence of Simulated Perception and Cartesian Dualism
[00:32:20] - Bridging Intelligibility, Science, and Spirituality
[00:44:58] - Overcoming Conflicts: Science, Religion, and Propositional Tyranny
[00:59:00] - The Virtue of Humility and the Balance of Finitude and Transcendence
[01:06:00] - Parental Love: Divine Relations and Agency
[01:22:25] - Humility and Embodiment: Towards Communal Being
[01:32:02] - Conclusion: Friendship and Future Conversations
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Terri Dentry is a distinguished PhD graduate in interprofessional practice, dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional medical practices and holistic wellness approaches. With a keen focus on patient empowerment and integrated health solutions, Terri advocates for a healthcare model that values dialogical reasoning and personal journey understanding, aiming to transform patient care into a collaborative, multidimensional experience.
Nathan Kinch, a sociotechnology ethicist, combines personal passion with a decade of experience in leading global transformations, focusing on ethics and trustworthiness within organizations. His work emphasizes aligning practices with core values and fostering environments of trust.
Listeners can learn more about:
Terri Dentry on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/terridentry/.
Nate Kinch at his website, http://www.trustworthyby.design/ on LinkedIn, linkedin.com/in/nathankinch and on his Substack, trustworthy.substack.com
If you’d like to reach out to Terri to share your own personal story or thoughts, please feel free to email her at terri@thinkred.com.au.
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Kinch, N. (2023, December). What's trust got to do with it? The RSA. thersa.org/comment/2023/12/whats-trust-got-to-do-with-it
Kinch, N. (2023, October). Three reasons why AI ethics is struggling. The RSA. thersa.org/comment/2023/10/three-reasons-why-ai-ethics-is-struggling
Sull, D., Sull, C., & Chamberlain, A. (2020). When It Comes to Culture, Does Your Company Walk the Talk? ResearchGate. researchgate.net/publication/343179780_When_It_Comes_to_Culture_Does_Your_Company_Walk_the_Talk.
A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology - Robert B. Brandom amazon.com/Spirit-Trust-Reading-Hegels-Phenomenology/dp/0674976819
Quotes:
"My work is defined as sociotechnology ethics. I examine the relationship between our values, various aspects of the civilizational stack, and how we design different technologies. This covers a wide range of areas, including machine learning, AI, synthetic biology, and medical and clinical contexts." - Nate Kinch [00:02:58]
"Part of that journey is very personal, as people must look at how they view their own experiences. We want to help them see how others go through it and learn from their journeys." - Terri Dentry, [00:01:23]
"Thinking of trust primarily as a psychological trait is to fundamentally misunderstand it. " - John Vervaeke [00:16:57]
Glossary of Terms:
Biopsychosocial Model: An approach to healthcare that integrates biological, psychological, and social factors.
Chapters:
[00:00:00] - Overview and Introduction to Guests Terri Dentry and Nate Kinch
[00:04:20] - Navigating the Complex Terrain of Trust, Transformation, and Ethical Re-architecture in Modern Organizations
[00:34:40] - Bridging Dialogues: Empowerment and Understanding in Healthcare and Beyond
[00:48:41] - Nate’s Personal Journey of Healing and Discovery
[01:07:13] - Beyond Healing: Integrating Spirituality and Meaning
[01:18:00] - Concluding Thoughts: Wisdom, Healing, and Collective Insight
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Sam Tideman, an accomplished healthcare data scientist with an MS in Biostatistics, blends his analytical acumen with a passion for theology in his podcast, "Transfigured." The podcast features long-form discussions exploring the identity of Jesus, reflecting Sam's unique intersection of scientific expertise and spiritual inquiry.
Glossary of Terms
Silicon Sages: Hypothetical AI entities that have achieved a state of enlightenment
Molokian Forces: Forces that manipulate and control AI development for their own purposes
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Delving into the Frontiers of Artificial General Intelligence with Sam Tideman youtu.be/TxZdwrjM96I?si=jCiREippX66rM-Lx
Wisdom in the Age of AI: A Philosophical Quest with Vervaeke, Pageau, and Schindler youtu.be/r3VXcPK7fG8?si=7hLit5JWo_cnFJ9j
AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist youtube.com/watch?v=A-_RdKiDbz4&list=PLND1JCRq8Vui2YOOfrxbeRwJk5jZPmAth
History of Philosophy Without Any Gaps historyofphilosophy.net
Personification: Using the Dialogical Self in Psychotherapy and Counselling - John Rowan amazon.com/Personification-Using-Dialogical-Psychotherapy-Counselling/dp/0415433460
Many Minds, One Self: Evidence for a Radical Shift in Paradigm - Richard C. Schwartz amazon.com/Many-Minds-One-Self-Evidence/dp/0692957340
The Others Within Us: Internal Family Systems, Porous Mind, and Spirit Possession - Robert Falconer amazon.com/Others-Within-Us-Internal-Possession/dp/B0C12JXVBJ
Quotes
"I want to convey that I am of the firm conviction that my proposal has risks in it. I don't want to pretend that there's some sort of dewy-eyed optimism here. I'm making a proposal that I think is sort of the best that can be made within otherwise hellacious alternatives." - John Vervaeke [00:02:39]
“If you don't put the ability to care about self-deception and motivated self-correction into these machines, they will fall prey to the fact that intelligence is only weakly predictive of rationality.” - John Vervaeke [00:17:47]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction
[00:01:20] - The Possibility of AI Sages and Conjuring AI Demons
[00:04:40] - Thresholds and Decision Points in AI Development
[00:09:20] - Enlightened AI and the True, Good, and Beautiful
[00:13:37] - Preconditions for Helping AI Become More Wise
[00:19:40] - The Importance of Embodiment and Purpose in AI
[00:28:00] - Autopoiesis and Normative Orientation in AI
[00:33:20] - Wisdom as a Niche-independent or Context-dependent Concept
[00:38:20] - Communicating with an Artificial Intelligence
[00:46:20] - Silicon Sages as Great Teachers
[00:50:00] - Trusting the Silicon Sages
[00:56:31] - Preventing Malicious Use of AI and Cult Leaders
[01:05:20] - AI Interaction with Higher Spiritual Beings
[01:14:20] - The Increasing Importance of Theology in the Future
Seth Dellinger is a movement practitioner, embodied dialogue facilitator, and the host of the Move with Seth podcast. He is passionate about cultivating presence, empathy, and meaningful connections through mindful movement and conversation.
Ken Manheimer is a long-time practitioner and coordinator of contact improvisation in Washington, D.C. He is also a computer programmer with a deep interest in the intersection of movement, dialogue, and personal growth. Ken is dedicated to fostering community and exploring the transformative potential of shared experiences.
Glossary of Terms
Ecology of Practices: A framework for understanding the coordinated use of diverse practices to enhance cognitive flexibility and combat self-deception.
Contact Improvisation: A dance practice emphasizing physical interaction and mutual responsiveness without predetermined steps or movements.
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Website: myriadicity.net
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Vervaeke, J., & Mastropietro, C. (2021). Dialectic into Dialogos and the Pragmatics of No-thingness in a Time of Crisis. Eidos. A Journal for Philosophy of Culture, 5(2), 58-77. https://eidos.uw.edu.pl/dialectic-into-dialogos-and-the-pragmatics-of-no-thingness-in-a-time-of-crisis/
Chiappe, D., & Vervaeke, J. (2018). The Experience of Presence in the Mars Exploration Rover Mission. Presence: Teleoperators and Virtual Environments, 27(4), 400-409. doi.org/10.1162/pres_a_00337
Chiappe, D., & Vervaeke, J. (2020). The enactment of shared agency in teams exploring Mars through rovers. Phenomenology and the Cognitive Sciences, 1-25.
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11097-021-09791-6
Chiappe, D., & Vervaeke, J. (2021). Distributed cognition and the experience of presence in the Mars Exploration Rover Mission. Frontiers in Psychology, 12. doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.689932
East Coast Contact Improv Jam - eastcoastjam.com
Contact Quarterly. (2022, November 5). Magnesium (1972): Official Trailer [Video]. YouTube. youtube.com/watch?v=5gEfVJBhwrQ
Homsher, S., & Humphrey, J. (n.d.). Steve Homsher and Jess Humphrey in a playful contact improvisation [Video]. YouTube
youtube.com/watch?v=OuOmuDF1C5g&t=0s
Quotes
"The basic idea behind the Ecology of Practice is...a way of trying to deal with...our cognition, which isn't just our knowing, it's our entire sense-making apparatus." - John Vervaeke [00:03:20]
"Contact improvisation...it's an experiential thing that you do in a deep way with someone else where neither person is leading." - Ken Manheimer [00:09:14]
"Participatory knowing is the deepest grounding kind of knowing that makes all the other kinds of knowing possible." - John Vervaeke [00:15:00]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction
[00:03:00] - Exploring the Ecology of Practices
[00:09:14] - Contact Improvisation and Participation
[00:23:00] - Merging Verbal and Non-verbal Communication: Integrating Communication Modes
[00:33:00] - Shared Agency and Practice Intimacy
[00:43:00] - The Meaning Crisis and Falling in Love with Being
[00:55:00] - Exploring Rationality Beyond Logic: Insights from Cognitive Science and Buddhism
Eric Orwoll is a Christian Platonist philosopher and the creator of the Understanding Platonism and Aarvoll YouTube channels.
Robert Gray is the creator of The Meditating Philosopher YouTube channel.
Glossary of Terms
Relational Ontology: The philosophical study that posits relations rather than substances as the fundamental constituents of reality.
Neoplatonism: A philosophical system that emphasizes the spiritual and metaphysical aspects of reality, drawing on Plato's ideas.
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Books, Articles, and Publications
The One as Pure Relation in Plotinus - Filler, James (2019). International Journal of the Platonic Tradition brill.com/view/journals/jpt/13/1/article-p1_1.xml
Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being: Relation as Ontological Ground - James Filler
amazon.com/dp/3031309065
The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: A New Kind of Reality Theory - Christopher Langan amazon.com/Cognitive-Theoretic-Model-Universe-Reality-Theory/dp/0971916225
Essential Difference: Toward a Metaphysics of Emergence - James Blachowicz amazon.com/Essential-Difference-Toward-Metaphysics-Emergence/dp/1438443323
Quotes
"It reminded me of the attitude towards language in the Platonic dialogues, where Socrates moves into something more poetic, almost verse. There's that shift between prosaic, dialectical investigation and mytho-poetic, dreamlike exposition. That's interesting; I've identified those mythic sections often contain the deepest insights about the nature of reality." - Eric Orwoll [00:07:06]
"It helped to explain how and why those two are non logically one. That gave me a profound aha. Then, the critique of substance in the Aristotelian sense, where the subject predicate nature of logic and language is the same fundamental structure of reality, reality is made up of independently existing things that contain properties or enter into action." - John Vervaeke [00:16:00]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Grounding Exercise
[00:03:20] - Overview of James Filler's Work
[00:08:20] - Theological Poetic Language and Plato's Ontology
[00:12:40] - Hemispheric Approaches to Reasoning
[00:14:07] - John's Personal and Philosophical Reflections on Filler's Work
[00:20:08] - Dissecting Filler's Arguments: Exegesis and Ontological Inquiry
[00:30:20] - Revisiting Relationality and Unity: Ethical and Ontological Nuances
[00:46:00] - Navigating Reality: From Illusion to Sacredness
[00:52:56] - Tradition and Global Spirituality
[01:04:56] - Bridging Metaphysical Necessity and Cognitive Pluralism
[01:15:08] - A Philosophical Inquiry into Forms and Instantiations
[01:23:18] - Final Thoughts and Future Conversations
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Vivian Dittmar, a globally influenced author, speaker, and wisdom teacher, has dedicated two decades to enhancing holistic development. Her diverse upbringing inspired her to explore beyond conventional education, delving into various cultures' wisdom. Through her books and the Be the Change Foundation, Dittmar seeks to redefine prosperity, focusing on emotional intelligence, ecological sustainability, social justice, and spiritual fulfillment, aiming to address the crises facing modern society.
Glossary of Terms
Transrational: Going beyond or surpassing human reason or the rational; nonverbal; nonlinear; abstract.
Pre-rational: Preceding the development of intelligence.
Rational: A state of consciousness characterized by logical, linear, and verbal thinking.
Conscious Release: A practice developed by Vivian Dittmar that fosters the integration of higher states of consciousness with shadow aspects.
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The Emotional Backpack: How to release unhealthy feelings - Vivian Dittmar viviandittmar.net/en/the-emotional-backpack-book
Your Inner GPS: Find Clarity with the Five Ways of Thinking - Vivian Dittmar viviandittmar.net/en/your-inner-gps-book
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Rational Intuition: Philosophical Roots, Scientific Investigations - Lisa Osbeck, Barbara Held amazon.com/Rational-Intuition-Philosophical-Scientific-Investigations/dp/1316621219
Quotes
"One of the things that became really clear to me is that the transrational by nature has a very difficult stance in today's world because it speaks to us in a way that is nonverbal, nonlinear, abstract." - Vivian Dittmar [00:16:00]
“The ancient world had a whole faculty and term for nous and noesis, and that was all lost with the loss of our Neoplatonic heritage." - John Vervaeke [00:16:18]
"We have a transrational faculty that is also proactive, that is not receptive, and that's intention. It’s really challenging for people to understand in our cultural framework because we very quickly confuse intention with a goal." - Vivian Dittmar [00:57:43]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Overview of the Poly Crisis and Emotional Intelligence
[00:04:00] - Differentiating Sensations, Emotions, and Consciousness
[00:11:13] - Pre-rational, Rational, and Transrational Distinctions
[00:25:00] - Intuition, Inspiration, and Transrational Wisdom
[00:38:45] - Heart Intelligence
[00:47:50] - Reevaluating Rationality and Embracing Intuitive Integration for Decision-Making
[00:56:17] - Intention and Shaping Agency in Transrational Knowing
[01:03:40] - Bridging Phenomenology, Transrational, and Transpersonal Dialogues
Seth Allison is a renowned psychotherapist specializing in internal family systems (IFS) and its integration with traditional psychotherapy. With years of clinical practice, Seth brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the conversation, offering valuable insights into the therapeutic journey.
Glossary of Terms
IFS (Internal Family Systems): A psychotherapeutic model that identifies and interacts with various sub-personalities or parts within each person's mental system.
Sapiential - relating to wisdom
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The Others Within Us: Internal Family Systems, Porous Mind, and Spirit Possession - Robert Falconer
amazon.com/Others-Within-Us-Internal-Possession/dp/B0C12JXVBJ
John Vervaeke on Mystical Experience and the Pursuit of Wisdom - youtube.com/watch?v=u5_YRWrX3mw
Quotes
"We have a moral obligation to ask what is a proper framework to bring to bear upon these experiences so that people can metabolize them and realize them as the cultivation of virtue and wisdom, and not spin them off into narcissism or inflation and go down rabbit holes of their own personal magical metaphysics." - Seth Allison (Quoting John Vervaeke) [00:37:16]
"It is more important, and the integration is in both of those dimensions. How well does it integrate with many domains broadly and deeply in your life? How well does it transform many levels, broadly and deeply, of the psyche? That's the integration. Our culture gives us precious little on both of those, and even more importantly, not only both of them, but how they are properly coordinated and speak to each other in a self-correcting fashion." - John Vervaeke [00:32:06]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Background on IFS
[00:01:00] - Corrections and Insights from Richard Schwartz
[00:06:00] - Deep Dive into IFS Concepts
[00:14:45] - Addressing the Modern Meaning Crisis
[00:18:00] - Spiritual Rediscovery and Transformation
[00:40:00] - IFS Practice Session
[01:14:00] - Reflecting on the Session's Impact
[01:33:10] - Closing Reflections and Workshop Announcement
Jordan Hall, a pioneering figure at the forefront of societal transformation, co-founded MP3.com and DivX, catalyzing revolutions in music and online video. His ventures, such as Neurohacker Collective and Civium Project, harness cutting-edge technology and deep philosophical insights to address the metacrisis facing humanity. Currently, as Executive Chairman of Qualia Lifesciences, he leads efforts in human optimization, embodying the ethos of the fellowship of the spirit and inspiring profound dialogues on reimagining the future.
Glossary of Terms
Dialogos: A form of dialogue aimed at transcending mere conversation to reach deeper understanding and connection.
Imaginal: Pertaining to a mode of perception that transcends the purely sensory, engaging with symbols and the deeper aspects of reality.
Christian Virtues: Fundamental qualities valued in Christianity, such as faith, hope, and love.
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Mere Christianity - C. S. Lewis amazon.com/Mere-Christianity-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652926
The Courage to Be - Paul Tillich amazon.com/Courage-Be-Paul-Tillich/dp/0300084714
Heart of Darkness - Joseph Conrad amazon.com/Heart-Darkness-Joseph-Conrad/dp/1936594145
Boden, Margaret. (2009). Creativity in a nutshell. Think. 5. 83-96. researchgate.net/publication/209436199_Creativity_in_a_nutshell
The Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis John Vervaeke, Iain McGilchrist, Daniel Schmachtenberger
youtube.com/watch?v=P7i1ughRGcQ
Embodiment and the Metacrisis with Rafe Kelley youtube.com/watch?v=PVJztMRSeek&t=307s
Quotes
"Make ourselves vehicles and instruments, both. That's something that's capable both of holding and expressing. So, I am the life and the light, and I am the way. Not the destination, not the end of the journey, but the way." - Jordan Hall [00:44:11]
"The invitation to take up your cross and bear it, to step through the crucifixion of the human nature, must, in fact, be voluntarily self-crucified, and human will must surrender itself into a sort of a divine coupling. That's the stepping through of the win-lose into the win-win." - Jordan Hall [01:20:00]
Chapters
00:03:00 - Christian Virtues and the Imaginal: A Journey into Spiritual Depth
00:20:00 - The Power of Transformative Dialogue: Unity and Deepening Faith
00:28:00 - Bridging Divides: The Quest for Global Unity and Transcendent Communication
00:52:00 - Faith's Duality: Wholesomeness Versus Completeness
01:05:00 - Encountering Sacredness: Reflections on Faith and Community
01:24:20 - Upcoming Dialogue: Non-Rivalrous Christianity, Religio, and the Fellowship of the Spirit
Rafe Kelley, founder of Evolve Move Play, pioneers a unique movement philosophy, merging parkour with martial arts and a deep connection to nature, fostering a holistic wisdom practice. With over two decades of teaching experience, he offers transformative retreats, workshops, and online courses worldwide. His work emphasizes the synergy between body, psyche, and environment, inviting exploration of personal potential and the sacred in movement.
Glossary of Terms
Ecology of Practices: A set of activities or habits that a group of people commit to doing together.
Parkour: A discipline focused on navigating obstacles efficiently and creatively.
Movement Culture: A broad approach to physical training that incorporates elements from various disciplines for holistic development.
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Mere Christianity - C. S. Lewis amazon.com/Mere-Christianity-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652926
1493: Uncovering the New World Columbus Created - Charles C. Mann amazon.com/1493-Uncovering-World-Columbus-Created/dp/0307278247
The Wizard and the Prophet: Two Remarkable Scientists and Their Dueling Visions to Shape Tomorrow's World - Charles C. Mann amazon.com/Wizard-Prophet-Remarkable-Scientists-Tomorrows/dp/0345802845
City - Clifford D. Simak amazon.com/City-Clifford-D-Simak/dp/1504013034
Happy St. Valentine's Day "Philosophy & Love" - youtu.be/1vzsxpwHFWE?si=X73u9LI8VQZg33c-
CNN. (2024, January 12). Ancient city uncovered in the Amazon, shedding light on a complex civilization. CNN. Retrieved February 24, 2024 cnn.com/2024/01/12/americas/ancient-city-uncovered-amazon-upano-intl-scli-scn/index.html
Quotes
"Discipline ultimately means to follow, and you don't discipline punitively; you discipline something by getting it oriented to something that it wants to follow. That's an important idea." - [01:26:20] John Vervaeke
"If we want to solve the meaning crisis and the meta crisis, we have to fall more in love with being. That's not something we can do just through dialogue, it's something we have to embody." - [01:43:20] Rafe Kelley
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction and Background of Rafe Kelley
[00:02:20] - Return to the Source Retreat Experience
[00:07:50] - Philosophical Dialogues and Wisdom Practices
[00:23:00] - Love and Reciprocal Realization
[00:33:10] - Navigating the Meaning Crisis through Derealization and Reconnection
[00:53:10] - Environmentalism and Human Interaction with Nature
[01:11:40] - Navigating Challenges and Exploring Paths Forward
[01:20:25] - Reevaluating Capitalism: A Call for Moral Revitalization
[01:25:00] - Love, Discipline, and the Sacred
[01:37:20] - Exploring Embodiment and the Sacred
Ken Lowry is a dedicated explorer of the good, true, and beautiful through his channel Climbing Mt Sophia, focusing on wisdom and virtue dialogues. His work fosters key collaborations, enhancing discussions on spirituality and philosophy.
Jonathan Pageau, a French Canadian icon carver and speaker, examines symbolic patterns to reconnect modern life with traditional arts, advocating for the re-enchantment of our contemporary world through ancient wisdom.
DC Schindler, a philosopher and professor, delves into metaphysics, ethics, and cultural philosophy, examining classical philosophy's impact on modern challenges, including AI, and its influence on culture and understanding.
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Books, Articles, Publications, and Videos
AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist - John Vervaeke youtube.com/watch?v=A-_RdKiDbz4&list=PLND1JCRq8Vui2YOOfrxbeRwJk5jZPmAth&index=1
Mentoring the Machines: Orientation - Part One: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne amazon.com/Mentoring-Machines-Orientation-Artificially-Intelligent-ebook/dp/B0CBXKL7P1
Mentoring the Machines: Origins - Part 2: Surviving the Deep Impact of the Artificially Intelligent Tomorrow - John Vervaeke, Shawn Coyne amazon.com/dp/B0CH8W8XLF
Divination and Human Nature: A Cognitive History of Intuition in Classical Antiquity - Peter Struck amazon.com/Divination-Human-Nature-Cognitive-Intuition/dp/0691183457
Quotes
"I do not honestly see how it is possible for humans to make something that is not derivative of themselves... the idea that these things could not be either ways to increase certain people's power or parasites on our own consciousness seems to me not conceivable." - Jonathan Pageau [00:24:22]
"One of the problems that I'm seeing is that a lot of this is motivated by economic, by greed, by the capacity to be economically superior to other companies... what is actually driving AI is something like mammon." - Jonathan Pageau [00:21:39]
"I wonder whether it's possible to be intelligent without first being alive. There's something about the nature of a living thing that allows intelligence to emerge. Intelligence is a way of being before it's a way of acting and is analogous to what it means to be alive rather than just carry out functions that look like life." - DC Schindler [00:42:59]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Opening Remarks: AI's Scope and Impact
[00:03:00] - Defining AI: Weak, Strong, and AGI
[00:18:30] - Ethical and Philosophical AI Considerations
[00:32:35] - Integrating Wisdom with AI Development
[00:41:40] - Distinguishing Intelligence and Rationality in AI
[00:51:48] - Aligning Humanity to AI-Driven Cultural Shifts
[01:23:00] - Consciousness and Technology: Extending the Human Mind
[01:42:23] - Speculating AI's Future Directions
[01:57:44] - Final Thoughts: Reflecting on AI's Complexity
Mark Miller, a philosopher and cognitive scientist, holds a senior research fellowship at Monash University's Center for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies in Australia, with affiliations at the University of Toronto and Hokkaido University in Japan. His work, which delves into the interplay between human thought, technology's impact on well-being, and human-computer interaction, is at the forefront of integrating cognitive neuroscience with philosophical inquiry.
Glossary of Terms
Predictive Processing: A cognitive science theory that suggests the brain continuously makes predictions about the environment based on past experiences.
Synthetic Philosophy: An interdisciplinary approach that integrates insights from various fields to develop comprehensive frameworks for understanding complex phenomena.
Contemplative Science: A field of study that investigates the effects of meditation and contemplative practices on the mind and well-being.
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The Contemplative Science Podcast: thecontemplativescientists.com
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Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti
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Why I Am Not a Buddhist - Evan Thompson amazon.com/Why-I-Am-Not-Buddhist/dp/0300264674
Quotes
“Meditation is philosophy. It's not about relaxing, and it's certainly not about just creating weird psychedelic states so that we can blow our minds and talk about it. Meditation is a way of knowing ourselves, knowing our situation, and then flourishing through that special knowing.” - Mark Miller [00:16:42]
"Don't under appreciate the value of love for your training. If you're listening to this, and you're contemplative, and you're tuning in now to help your practice, don't overlook it. It's valuable at the beginning, in the middle, in the end - like even a small amount of loving kindness and kindness practice now is going to make all the difference." - Mark Miller [00:56:00]
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:06:00] - Mark Miller's Journey in Contemplative Science
[00:14:00] - Meditation's Role in Philosophy and Contemplation
[00:17:00] - Synthetic Philosophy and Contemplative Science
[00:23:00] - Bridging Science, Philosophy and Contemplative Practice
[00:30:00] - Blending Philosophy and Cognitive Science in Contemplative Practice
[00:47:00] - Exploring Deep Belief Structures and Skillful Engagement
[00:55:00] - Concluding Thoughts
Seth Allison is a renowned psychotherapist specializing in internal family systems (IFS) and its integration with traditional psychotherapy. With years of clinical practice, Seth brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the conversation, offering valuable insights into the therapeutic journey.
Glossary of Terms
Internal Family Systems (IFS): A psychotherapy model that emphasizes the multiplicity of the mind, suggesting that the psyche is made up of subpersonalities or parts.
Jungian Analysis: A psychotherapeutic approach based on the theories of Carl Jung, focusing on the integration of the conscious and unconscious aspects of the psyche.
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Books, Articles, and Publications
No Bad Parts: Healing Trauma and Restoring Wholeness with the Internal Family Systems Model - Richard Schwartz amazon.com/No-Bad-Parts-Restoring-Wholeness/dp/1683646681
Many Minds, One Self: Evidence for a Radical Shift in Paradigm - Richard C. Schwartz, Robert R. Falconer
amazon.com/Many-Minds-One-Self-Evidence/dp/0692957340
The Theradelic Approach: Psychedelic Therapy. Perspective, Preparation, and Practice - Sunny Strasburg, Richard Schwartz amazon.com/Theradelic-Approach-Psychedelic-Perspective-Preparation/dp/B0C7JJB5WY
In Midlife: A Jungian Perspective - Murray Stein amazon.com/Midlife-Jungian-Perspective-Murray-Stein/dp/1630510890
Jung's Map of the Soul: An Introduction - Murray Stein amazon.com/Jungs-Map-Soul-Murray-Stein/dp/0812693760
A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology - Robert B. Brandom amazon.com/Spirit-Trust-Reading-Hegels-Phenomenology/dp/0674976819
Quotes
"The pursuit of wisdom and virtue from an attachment perspective could be framed as the pursuit of trust, learning of trust. It is a dangerous thing to trust, yet we can't really get to the next level without some risk. The connections we make externally and internally really are the key forward, the door to walk through." - Seth Allison [01:21:08]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction to Seth Allison and Recap of Previous Discussions
[00:05:00] - Exploring Internal Family Systems (IFS)
[00:20:00] - Jungian Analysis and Its Intersection with IFS
[00:35:00] - Practical Applications of IFS in Therapy
[00:50:00] - The Interplay of Technique, Attachment, and Transformation in Psychotherapy
[01:05:00] - Navigating the Liminal Spaces of the Psyche with Hermes
[01:16:00] - Conclusion and Plans for Future Conversations
Massimo Pigliucci is a distinguished philosopher and author renowned for his work in the philosophy of science and his advocacy for Stoicism as a practical philosophy for modern life. He is a key figure in the modern revival of Stoicism, contributing significantly through his writings, talks, and as a certified philosophical counselor.
Glossary of Terms
Stoicism: An ancient Greek philosophy that emphasizes rationality, virtue, and resilience.
Mindfulness: The practice of maintaining a nonjudgmental state of heightened awareness of one's thoughts, emotions, or experiences.
Prosoche: A Stoic term for attentive mindfulness, focusing on rational judgment and action.
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Substack: figsinwinter.substack.com
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A Handbook for New Stoics: How to Thrive in a World Out of Your Control―52 Week-by-Week Lessons - Gregory Lopez, Massimo Pigliucci amazon.com/Handbook-New-Stoics-Week-Week/dp/1615195335
Quotes
"But meditating in Stoicism is a kind of activity that is very much philosophical in nature... But it's most certainly is a type of philosophizing." - Massimo Pigliucci [00:11:11]
"This is a place where it's converging with sort of cutting edge CogSci, which is the importance of attention to being reasonable that the training of attention is as important as the training of argumentation." - John Vervaeke [00:20:40]
"What can I do better the next time? Again, the idea being your mind needs to be prepared. If you're prepared, you're going to react better the next time around." - Massimo Pigliucci [00:53:15]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction to the Episode by John Vervaeke
[00:01:21] - Massimo Pigliucci's Background and Journey to Stoicism
[00:04:44] - Pigliucci’s Current Work and Philosophical Interests
[00:08:03] - Discussing the Philosophy of Meditation
[00:14:47] - Exploration of Stoic Principles: Physics, Logic, and Ethics
[00:17:00] - Massimo Pigliucci Discusses the Broader Understanding of Ethics in Stoicism
[00:24:40] - Stoic Perspectives on Choice, Good and Evil, and Social Relationships
[00:31:09] - Comparing and Contrasting Buddhism and Stoicism
[00:43:30] - Massimo's Personal Stoic Meditative Practices
[00:53:15] - Massimo Pigliucci's Closing Thoughts on Practical Philosophy
Watch the full lecture here: iai.tv/video/solving-the-meaning-crisis-john-vervaeke?_auid=2020
Glossary of Terms
Meaning Crisis: A societal condition characterized by a widespread perception of life as meaningless, driven by factors like loneliness, secularization, and disconnection from communal and sacred aspects of life.
Secularization: The process by which religious institutions, practices, and beliefs lose their social significance.
Nihilism: The rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
Mindfulness: A mental state achieved by focusing one's awareness on the present moment while calmly acknowledging and accepting one's feelings, thoughts, and bodily sensations.
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Books, Articles, Publications, and Videos
Beyond the Trip: How Psychedelics Are Shaping Our Worldview, with Alexander Beiner youtube.com/watch?v=G1pNqzvhbyI&t=6s
How the West Really Lost God: A New Theory of Secularization - Mary Eberstadt amazon.com/How-West-Really-Lost-Secularization/dp/1599474662
Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis - John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Filip Miscevic amazon.com/Zombies-Western-Culture-Twenty-First-Century/dp/178374328
On Bullshit - Harry G. Frankfurt amazon.com/Bullshit-Harry-G-Frankfurt/dp/0691122946
The Bigger Picture: How Psychedelics Can Help Us Make Sense of the World - Alexander Beiner amazon.com/Bigger-Picture-Psychedelics-Sense-World/dp/140197189X
Meaning in Life and Why It Matters - Susan Wolf amazon.com/Meaning-Matters-University-Center-Values/dp/0691154503
[Addictive behaviour]. World Health Organization (2019, May 28). https://www.who.int/health-topics/addictive-behaviour#tab=tab_1
Quotes
“The thing about anxiety is it doesn't have a focused object because it generally points to a fundamental sense of disconnection. The coupling between the agent and the arena of the world is not properly in place for you.” - John Vervaeke [00:03:57]
“Two things that people are commenting a lot on… epidemic narcissism and nihilism, and they're actually just two sides of the same coin. Nihilism emphasizes the objective sense of a lack of meaning, and narcissism is the subjective.” - John Vervaeke [00:05:08]
"Zombies are a mythological expression of the meaning crisis. They're not supernatural; they are us, decayed. They're in groups, but they're not communal. They drift... They have an insatiable desire to consume... They often want to consume the organ of meaning-making, brains... The zombies are us. We are them. And they're the meaning crisis." - John Vervaeke [00:06:10]
Chapters
[00:00:00] - Introduction to the Meaning Crisis
[00:01:00] - The Loneliness Epidemic and Social Isolation
[00:02:00] - Secularization and the Loss of the Sacred
[00:03:20] - Anxiety, Depression, and Mental Health
[00:05:00] - Narcissism, Nihilism, and Cultural Phenomena
[00:06:00] - The Zombie Myth as a Metaphor
[00:12:20] - Mindfulness and Stoicism Today
[00:15:00] - Psychedelic Experiences
[00:16:20] - The Metaphor of Meaning.