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Kasra Mirzaie is a clinical researcher, psychotherapist, and university teacher. His work focuses on adolescents, exploring the interplay between psychotherapy, spirituality, and self-deception.
Can understanding all parts of ourselves sometimes lead us away from the truth?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke continues to explore Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with guest Kasra Mirzaie. They discuss the paradox of IFS as both a path to self-discovery and a potential source of self-deception. Their conversation covers the intersection of spirituality and science within IFS, offering listeners insights into this therapeutic approach. Mirzaie shares personal experiences, emphasizing the transformative roles of love and forgiveness in therapy. Vervaeke and Mirzaie also examine the philosophical and cognitive scientific foundations of IFS, setting the stage for future discussions on self-organizing criticality and the relationship between cognitive science and spirituality. This episode aims to broaden listeners' understanding of the self and provide new perspectives on human psychology.
Embark on a journey with us to tackle the Meaning Crisis by joining our exclusive Patreon community. patreon.com/johnvervaeke
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00:00 Introduction and Mirzaie's Background and Work
03:00 Exploring Self-Deception
17:00 The Role of Love and Forgiveness
22:50 The Spiritual Dimension of IFS
34:40 Self-Deception and Spiritual Bypassing
38:45 Spirit of Self-Deception: The Paradox of Adaptation and Growth
43:00 The Paradox of the Fall and Self-Consciousness
45:40 Relational Reality and the Self
59:50 The Therapeutic Approach to Trauma
01:06:25 Conclusion: Gratitude, Growth, and Ongoing Exploration
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The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. vervaekefoundation.org
Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. awakentomeaning.com
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Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Neoplatonism
Mark Lewis
Paul Vander Klay
Seth Allison
Marc Lewis
Milton's Lucifer
William Desmond
Heidegger
William Blake
Filler
Jung
Nietzsche
Vygotsky
Nishita
Kirkegaard
Tom Holmes, Parts Work: a Path of the Heart: Healing Journeys Integrating IFS and Spirituality
Christopher Ben Simpson, The William Desmond Reader
Robert B. Brandom, A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology
Relevant Episodes
Transforming Identity: The Power of IFS Therapy and Ancient Wisdom | Paul Vander Klay: youtu.be/jQeXQkdiikY
Inside the Mind: Marc Lewis on Transformative Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy youtube.com/watch?v=_b_sRNGqhDA
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
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Follow John Vervaeke
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twitter.com/vervaeke_john
youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
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Thank you for watching!
Kasra Mirzaie is a clinical researcher, psychotherapist, and university teacher. His work focuses on adolescents, exploring the interplay between psychotherapy, spirituality, and self-deception.
Can understanding all parts of ourselves sometimes lead us away from the truth?
In this episode of "Voices with Vervaeke," John Vervaeke continues to explore Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with guest Kasra Mirzaie. They discuss the paradox of IFS as both a path to self-discovery and a potential source of self-deception. Their conversation covers the intersection of spirituality and science within IFS, offering listeners insights into this therapeutic approach. Mirzaie shares personal experiences, emphasizing the transformative roles of love and forgiveness in therapy. Vervaeke and Mirzaie also examine the philosophical and cognitive scientific foundations of IFS, setting the stage for future discussions on self-organizing criticality and the relationship between cognitive science and spirituality. This episode aims to broaden listeners' understanding of the self and provide new perspectives on human psychology.
Embark on a journey with us to tackle the Meaning Crisis by joining our exclusive Patreon community. patreon.com/johnvervaeke
—
00:00 Introduction and Mirzaie's Background and Work
03:00 Exploring Self-Deception
17:00 The Role of Love and Forgiveness
22:50 The Spiritual Dimension of IFS
34:40 Self-Deception and Spiritual Bypassing
38:45 Spirit of Self-Deception: The Paradox of Adaptation and Growth
43:00 The Paradox of the Fall and Self-Consciousness
45:40 Relational Reality and the Self
59:50 The Therapeutic Approach to Trauma
01:06:25 Conclusion: Gratitude, Growth, and Ongoing Exploration
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The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. vervaekefoundation.org
Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. awakentomeaning.com
—
Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy
Neoplatonism
Mark Lewis
Paul Vander Klay
Seth Allison
Marc Lewis
Milton's Lucifer
William Desmond
Heidegger
William Blake
Filler
Jung
Nietzsche
Vygotsky
Nishita
Kirkegaard
Tom Holmes, Parts Work: a Path of the Heart: Healing Journeys Integrating IFS and Spirituality
Christopher Ben Simpson, The William Desmond Reader
Robert B. Brandom, A Spirit of Trust: A Reading of Hegel’s Phenomenology
Relevant Episodes
Transforming Identity: The Power of IFS Therapy and Ancient Wisdom | Paul Vander Klay: youtu.be/jQeXQkdiikY
Inside the Mind: Marc Lewis on Transformative Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy youtube.com/watch?v=_b_sRNGqhDA
Attachment Theory Beyond Therapy: Seth Allison on Wisdom and Connection
youtube.com/watch?v=MR8xowORgeA
Exploring the Depths of Internal Family Systems with Seth Allison
youtube.com/watch?v=AhhHsQsR9lM&t=4s
Wisdom Through the Imaginal: IFS Insights with Seth Allison Part 3 youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVr7R3LOJk&t=198s
Engaging the Imaginal: Kasra Mirzaie on IFS and the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/watch?v=xOTWGLmYtjE&t=1s
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Follow John Vervaeke
johnvervaeke.com
twitter.com/vervaeke_john
youtube.com/@johnvervaeke
patreon.com/johnvervaeke
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Thank you for watching!
