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Debate on Iran war between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz. Scott Horton is the author and director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Mark Dubowitz is the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, host of the Iran Breakdown podcast, and a leading expert on Iran and its nuclear program for over 20 years. This debate was recorded on Tuesday, June 24, after the Iran-Israel ceasefire was declared.
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0:00 - Episode highlight
1:15 - Introduction
2:18 - Iran-Israel War
11:00 - Iran's Nuclear Program
42:52 - Nuclear weapons and uranium
54:55 - Nuclear deal
1:20:29 - Iran Nuclear Archive
1:43:06 - Best case and worst case near-term future
2:18:30 - US attack on Iran - Operation Midnight Hammer
2:42:04 - Nuclear proliferation in the future
3:03:02 - Libertarianism
3:15:51 - Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD)
3:31:26 - Trump and Peacemaking process
3:36:23 - WW2
3:49:23 - WW3
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Debate on Iran war between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz. Scott Horton is the author and director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Mark Dubowitz is the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, host of the Iran Breakdown podcast, and a leading expert on Iran and its nuclear program for over 20 years. This debate was recorded on Tuesday, June 24, after the Iran-Israel ceasefire was declared.
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*EPISODE LINKS:*
Mark's X: https://x.com/mdubowitz
Mark's Podcast: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmEsAFBNkqsMQnt5pypwEX0ul0NyIjd3E
The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD): fdd.org
Scott's X: https://x.com/scotthortonshow
Scott's YouTube: youtube.com/@scotthortonshow
Scott's Podcast: scotthortonshow.com
Scott's Website: scotthorton.org
Scott's Books: amzn.to/3T9Qg7y
The Libertarian Institute: libertarianinstitute.org
Antiwar.com: antiwar.com
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*OUTLINE:*
0:00 - Episode highlight
1:15 - Introduction
2:18 - Iran-Israel War
11:00 - Iran's Nuclear Program
42:52 - Nuclear weapons and uranium
54:55 - Nuclear deal
1:20:29 - Iran Nuclear Archive
1:43:06 - Best case and worst case near-term future
2:18:30 - US attack on Iran - Operation Midnight Hammer
2:42:04 - Nuclear proliferation in the future
3:03:02 - Libertarianism
3:15:51 - Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD)
3:31:26 - Trump and Peacemaking process
3:36:23 - WW2
3:49:23 - WW3
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