Uploaded October 2023 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Dan Sugarman of Ice Nine Kills joins the podcast. This is a VERY deep episode where we touch on mental and physical health, autism and more-- especially in the second half!
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Chapters:
00:00:00 - Poop Stories and Surviving Thyroid Cancer
00:04:12 - Dealing with the Fear of Cancer
00:08:24 - Thyroid Biopsy and Diagnosis of Cancer
00:12:34 - The Journey with my Mother and Medical Breakthroughs
00:16:49 - Doc Coyle Fills In for Guitar Parts
00:20:43 - The Weirdness of Pride and Being a Dad
00:24:32 - The Challenge of Finger Placement in Guitar Playing
00:28:43 - The Impact of Facial Tension on Playing
00:32:53 - Becoming a part of the band
00:37:00 - The Experimental and Commercial Success of Ice Nine Kills
00:41:08 - The Middle Path in Music Preferences
00:45:44 - The Rise of Young Musicians
00:50:06 - The Aesthetic Sensibility of Musicians
00:54:10 - Infusing Conversation with Authenticity
00:58:27 - The Struggle of Being Your Authentic Self
01:02:48 - The Impact of Traumatic Childhood on Pattern Recognition and Overwhelm
01:07:08 - The Pain of Physical Symptoms and Self-Acceptance
01:11:05 - Accepting Reality and Admitting Defeat
01:15:31 - The Rise of Autism and Metal Music
01:20:01 - The Influence of Metal on Pop Music
01:24:27 - Getting Ready for Therapy