Joshua Citarella
ContraPoints: How Online Politics Became Real Life | Doomscroll
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We discuss social media influencers, the Democratic party and dark money. How does today's memetic landscape help to shape real world politics? Can we preserve freedom of speech in an increasingly authoritarian environment?
Our crew is wearing N95s off camera. There is ventilation running in the room. Prior to recording this video, Josh took a PCR test.
0:00 Intro
X:xx Dark Money vs dark woke
10:41 Charlie Kirk & Luigi Mangione
16:27 Masks & vaccines
25:25 Gen Z vs journalism
33:41 Legacy vs alt-media
38:20 Free speech & civil liberties
47:07 Democrats & conspiracy
54:39 Left media vs establishment
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We discuss the shifting factions of the America right; Fusionism, Populism, Monarchy, Trad, MAHA, Catholicism, Crypto-anarchy and more. Many viewers will be familiar with the infamous “Bernie to Trump” pipeline but less will be aware of the Trotskyite origins of certain canonized thinkers on the New Right.
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0:00 Intro
0:49 Woke hegemony & gen Z
9:59 New Right vs managerialism
13:40 Fusionism vs populism
17:31 Based & superstructure
22:32 Liberal elites vs podcasts
28:41 DEI & post-capitalism
36:45 Trad vs modernity
50:23 Pron & casino-fication
1:00:00 Utopian 1999
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What might the online left learn from the success of right-wing shitposters? We explore the breakdown of liberal norms and the shattering of the Overton window. American politics has become increasingly radical in the last eight years. What new formation of the DNC might soon follow?
Last week’s horrific events have sent a shock wave through our politics, media and culture. We want to acknowledge the tragic murder of Charlie Kirk. He is mentioned briefly in this episode that was recorded at an earlier date.
0:00 Intro
0:50 Brosphere vs legacy media
6:15 Right vs left media tactics
9:46 Counteculture vs corporate democrats
18:00 Justice democrats & online influence
24:27 Center establishment vs fringe media
30:34 Hyper-polarization
34:08 America First & monarchy
44:32 Young men
51:41 2028 elections
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We discuss the seismic shift of American politics and our hard breaks to the right and left. We explore Zohran Mamdani's historic win in NYC and the ways in which the internet become real life. How do online audiences correlate to real world political coalitions?
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0:00 Intro
1:02 Left vs right populism
6:27 Online vs offline politics
12:49 Centrism vs political fragmentation
19:24 Counter-culture & individualism
23:14 Post-neoliberalism?
28:12 MAHA vs seed oils
33:36 Political journey
38:21 Gen Z conservatism
40:44 Democratic vs Republican base
46:35 GOP & the working class
50:08 Progressivism vs young men
58:56 Legacy vs alt-media
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We discuss her political journey from progressive to "independent and unaligned". Last year, Kasparian’s commentary took an editorial turn away from left echo-chambers and towards a generalized populism. We pay respect to the political genius and lasting influence of Michael Brooks.
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0:00 Intro
0:42 Michael Brooks
6:05 Radical liberalism vs right populism
16:01 FDR economics & the left
23:54 Background & values
32:07 Media polarization
42:12 Cancel culture & realignment
49:56 Labor vs nationalism
55:39 Class & political economy
1:02:25 Kindness & ruthless
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We discuss the new shape of online culture: "Dark Forest" spaces are gated digital communities, often curated around a specific niche or field of expertise. They represent a retreat from open social media and a shift into private spaces, where users may have complex and context-rich conversations.
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His video work pioneered the style, affect, and genre of new media alt-comedy. We discuss how online irony became today's real world politics. We explore the shift from legacy TV to streaming platforms. How did our media ecosystem shape the politics and culture of today?
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0:00 Intro
1:15 Tim & Eric
6:36 TV vs platforms
13:00 Comedy vs politics
19:48 Politics & counter-culture
26:10 Irony & the internet
35:12 The art vs the artist
40:06 Trump & jokes
46:16 Progressive masculinity
57:35 Alt vs legacy media
1:02:13 Media vs gatekeepers
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We discuss the emergence of AI, the sex industry (online and offline), robot gfs and libertarian transhumanism. Aella describes her evangelical religious upbringing and how she learned to navigate the secular world. We explore the overlap of niche online politics and fetishes, the Woke Wars, debate culture and free speech.
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0:00 Intro
0:47 Sex & trauma
5:29 Niche & fetish
10:53 Rationalism & IRL
17:56 Calvinism & upbringing
23:38 Prediction vs trendcasting
27:18 Polyamory, genes & transhumanism
34:44 Artificial intelligence & robot GFs
44:35 Factory work & background
49:56 Religion vs evolution
54:41 Children & education
57:59 Trad vs sex industry
1:05:16 AI god & singularity
1:07:59 Race & IQ
1:14:22 Freedom
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Drawing on Hegel and Marx, Fukuyama explores the concept of teleology — the idea that history is a linear process where human societies progress through sequential socioeconomic forms. As Marx famously wrote, Feudalism was replaced by Capitalism and would ultimately be replaced by Socialism. But after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, Francis Fukuyama argued that western liberal democracy was the final form of human government. His thesis has been updated and revised many times since and remains a frequent subject of debate today.
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0:00 Intro
1:57 Trump & the Overton window
5:26 History & social democracy
12:48 Social media vs politics
18:24 Memes & the new right
23:06 Free trade vs workers
27:49 DEI liberalism
31:43 Post liberalism & oligarchy
39:39 Identity politics & inner self
46:51 Abundance in 2028
52:27 China vs California
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I sat down with Hasan during his suspension from Twitch. He reads a misleading headline published in the New York Post. Later, we discuss the strategic possibilities of a two party system and explore the paths to socialism in the 21st century.
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0:00 Intro
0:48 Twitch 24 hour ban
5:30 Young men & right-wing podcasts
10:00 Media & the online left
19:29 Edgelords & counter-culture
29:11 Lifting weights & fascism
35:19 Socialism in the 21st century
44:25 Insurgents vs institutions
50:58 Multipolarity & reindustrialization
58:39 Bernie & AOC
1:02:15 War
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We explore the psychological significance of “trauma” and “care” within the liberal discourse today. Liu describes a moral panic among elites where the language of personal therapy attempts to right social and historical wrongs. These topics will be part of her forthcoming book "Traumatized!", to be published by Verso Books early next year.
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0:00 Intro
1:02 Virtue & care
5:14 Maturity vs vibes
10:09 Affect theory & cultural studies
19:46 New age vs reason
28:27 Liberalism vs democracy
38:40 Doctrinal purity
48:04 Executive power
54:02 Anarchy & horizontalism
59:22 Professional managerial class
1:13:51 Brahmin left
1:18:14 Catherine’s work
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We discuss the DEI industry, the New Deal, American inequality and why the rich love anti-racism. Her writing has appeared in The Nation, The Atlantic, Dissent, and Damage Magazine.
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0:00 Intro
1:02 The Great Compression 1940-1970
8:23 History of DEI
14:15 Dealignment
22:59 Cultural Marxism
28:30 Structural racism & wealth gap
34:22 Race-targeting & means-testing
48:10 Enlightenment values vs 1968
57:00 Peak woke
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Music scenes used to serve as a gateway to anti-establishment politics. It was once common to find DIY anarchist zines at the local punk show. Now these political subcultures exist almost entirely online and have dissolved into the newsfeed.
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0:00 Intro
0:52 Social media & fragmentation
8:34 Growing up & political background
15:44 Alt-media is not the underdog
19:55 Kanye & culture wars
27:34 Shock & transgressive art
38:47 Right-wing counter-culture
45:43 Radicall messages in art
54:27 Aesthetics vs politics
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We discuss the cultural turn, the rise of identity politics and the crisis of academia. Chibber is deeply committed to a material analysis and is unflinching in his critique of class tourism on the political left. He describes the early theoretical foundations for socialism as it relates to liberal philosophical ideals.
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0:00 Intro
1:21 The woke left
7:15 Academia & the professional class
16:15 The cultural turn & 1968
31:15 Late stage capitalism & class tourism
38:05 Moralism & the Democratic party
44:42 Liberalism & enlightenment values
51:44 Maoism & radical youth
59:03 Labor vs degrowth
1:03:48 Thinking clearly
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We discuss the breakdown of consensus reality and how deplatforming can often lead to greater political extremism. Andrew describes his early origins in the anarchist movement and his participation in a group called Seattle Solidarity. His work explores the decline of the American dream along with the rise of political radicalism online and IRL.
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Dear Kelly & radicalization
10:06 Elon Musk & 4chan
14:22 Anarchism
18:58 Alt-media & trust
31:31 Cancellation & background
35:59 Elections vs disinfo
43:21 Deplatforming & right-wing counterculture
54:28 Political fracturing
1:06:16 Film release
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We discuss his promethean, energy-rich vision for the future, polarization in the attention economy and the end of the neoliberal consensus. The authors propose a policy platform for environmental sustainability in the 21st century. We explore our new political era and the rise of superpower competition between the US and China.
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0:00 Intro
2:44 Abundance vs techno-optimism
11:42 Green vs gray environmentalism
14:31 New Deal vs neoliberalism
25:33 Political orders
30:15 Early politics & media theory
39:33 Attention dynamics
44:05 Elon Musk & the new right
51:51 New models
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We discuss the influence of alt-media, a farewell to C•mtown (RIP), the ideas & inspiration behind The Adam Friedland Show and his many social media controversies. How did comedians become recast as public intellectuals for the digital age?
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0:00 Intro
1:19 Cosplay in Australia
4:14 C•mtown & The Adam Friedland Show
11:21 Comedy & truth
20:26 War
29:42 Swifties, Chelsea Clinton, Twitter
41:58 Growing up online
47:57 Free speech
53:54 Behind the show
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We discuss the crisis of the Democratic party, online fact checkers vs. freedom of speech on social media, the mixed politics of populism and third parties in the USA.
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0:00 Intro
0:57 Democratic party vs third parties
10:02 Green party & DSA
15:21 Force the vote
23:00 Realignment
34:00 Alt-media
38:40 Getting into politics
56:09 Rising, The Hill & deplatforming
1:06:55 Free speech vs fact checkers
1:20:10 TikTok & the Overton window
1:24:35 Keeping the faith
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Neoliberalism is the most misused word in today's political discourse. In this episode we discuss the origins of the ideological movement. What is neoliberalism? When did it begin? How did it transform global politics?
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0:00 Intro
1:34 Neoliberalism
6:59 Imperium vs Dominium
14:00 New International Economic Order
18:57 Peter Thiel
23:04 Libertarian exit & LARP
37:53 Prospera vs Honduras
46:50 Patchwork vs globalization
53:59 Monarchy & anarcho-capitalism
1:03:56 Elon Musk
1:09:22 Post-neoliberalism?
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We discuss the failures of working within the Democratic Party, the role of alternative media and a certain state in a certain part of the world. Can humor help us find truth within the online landscape?
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0:00 Intro
0:42 AOC
1:46 Why Trump won
7:39 The realignment
12:25 Alt-media & humor
20:24 The Democratic party
24:45 Legitimacy
30:25 The end of history
34:57 Woke
41:25 War
44:56 What are you fighting for?
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We discuss Trump’s historic win, Luigi Mangione and Dasha's political journey from a Bernie Sander’s supporter in 2016 to a Trump voter in 2024. What happens to political consensus when all narratives have now become alternative?
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0:00 Intro
0:46 Trump’s popular victory
2:30 Dasha’s political journey
10:10 Luigi Mangione vs health care
19:10 Conservative realignment
23:16 Culture & counter-elites
28:39 Hollywood & elite media
33:52 2025 Trumpian shift
43:00 Israel & Ukraine wars
44:54 Legacy vs alt-media
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0:00 Intro
0:54 Shitposting
1:23 Tech monopolies & the state
11:06 US vs China vs networks
21:01 Capital & accelerationism
33:32 Freedom club
38:49 Changing worldviews
We discuss his experience of creative life on the internet and explore the many esoteric belief systems that have grown out of social media. We see a trend of increasing irrationality in a complex world. At the end we pay homage to one of the greatest memes ever made.
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0:00 Intro
0:35 Starting the pod & online culture
7:45 Creative paths
19:13 Statebook
23:20 Questioning beliefs & UFOs
37:21 The Chart of Truth
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0:00 Intro
1:05 Alt-right pipelines
19:22 Journalists & techno-feudalism
29:20 Peer pressure & ideology
38:51 January 6th
46:01 Social breakdown
1:01:12 Free speech
1:07:30 Caleb’s story
1:33:00 Some advice
We discuss today's dysfunctional left, elite overproduction, online political subcultures and the emergence of “youth” as a counter-cultural and consumer demographic. Is the New Right support for labor real? What does it mean for American workers?
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0:00 Intro
0:39 Young men
8:48 The power of subculture
13:38 Political perverts
25:57 Labor vs the new right
38:18 Getting into politics & DSA
46:42 Social media & the end of history
56:20 Priorities = socialism
1:03:40 Mental health
1:07:14 Marketplace of (bad) ideas
1:13:20 Life after socialism
We explore the inspirations behind his work, including the writing of cultural theorist Mark Fisher. Matty describes the "slow cancellation of the future" by comparing distinct styles of pop music across various decades. Fisher links these cultural moments to larger economic shifts that are often felt but rarely seen.
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0:00 Intro
0:39 Don’t get red pilled
13:49 Context collapse
20:38 Hauntology
32:53 Ice-cream-ification
39:56 Slow cancellation of the future
57:32 Atomization & counterculture
1:06:46 Content vs. art
1:13:03 Old left vs. new left
1:21:18 Social media dynamics
1:35:33 Wealth vs. taste
1:41:31 Finding inspiration
1:49:32 Irony vs. sincerity
1:56:33 Media, culture and technology
2:00:39 Crisis of institutions
2:09:57 A theatrical performance of an intimate moment
2:21:34 The new album
We discuss his personal journey of learning to lift online while exploring exercise subcultures via forums and message boards. We sort the facts from fictions and discuss the tenuous connections between weight lifting and far right politics. This is the lifting episode. We’re all gonna make it.
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0:00 Intro
0:43 Leaning to lift online
10:36 Stepping into the gym
18:43 Message board culture
25:15 Lifetime PRs
32:28 IRL community & politics
40:36 Steroids vs. genetics
48:57 Hypertrophy, bulking & cutting
59:17 The value of hard work?
1:07:26 Fake exercises on social media
1:15:34 Birthday squats
1:19:48 Does lifting make you right-wing?
He joins me to discuss his political meme account that he ran at age 11. I’ve spent the last few years interviewing young people who make radical posts online. Peter shares his journey from growing up in evangelical Christianity, to new atheism, and from Trump to Bernie.
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0:00 Intro
0:45 Running a political meme page at age 11
11:50 Growing up evangelical
17:56 Changing world views
26:50 Losing faith, finding new atheism & drugs
31:31 My political journey
39:41 From Trump to Bernie
43:58 Black lives matter
46:41 Gateway tapes
1:01:41 Morality
We discuss the emerging paradigm of "psyops capitalism", the history of the CIA's MK Ultra psychological operations and how magic shapes our perception of reality. These technologies culminate to form a new economic order of private surveillance, manipulation and financial extraction.
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0:00 Intro
1:01 MK Ultra
5:55 CIA, magic & UFOs
16:06 “you’ve just been f**cked by psyops”
20:27 Richard Doty & disinformation
30:33 Consensus reality vs. political imaginary
36:31 Psyops capitalism
41:39 UFOs & AI
49:31 Chaos
56:49 Hyperstition & irrationality
We discuss generational shifts from the political left to right, explore the state of alternative media and debate the origins of right-wing populism. While we disagree on some core issues, we always grant each other the space to fully argue an idea. My analysis and understanding is strengthened through our on-going dialogues.
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0:00 Intro
0:30 Real world politics
2:11 Leftists moving right
11:35 Television vs. alt media
20:13 Radical ideologies
32:20 Truth & political fragmentation
42:50 Right wing populism & the middle class
53:18 Labor unions
58:04 Gender & higher education
1:08:16 Class vs ideology
1:14:50 Tech & economic growth
1:21:01 How did you get into politics?
1:29:36 Economic decline & culture war
1:44:06 Optimism
Greg joins me to discuss our shared fascination with incredibly niche ideologies that only exist online. We explore social atomization as a political project and agree that taking the friend pill is the best advice you can find.
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0:00 Intro
0:37 New patch update for politics
5:40 Jamaal Bowman campaign
8:35 Post-irony
15:15 Subculture & sub-categories
25:08 Exploring online politics
34:44 Trust in the mainstream media?
39:31 Political realignment
48:25 Real community
59:09 Social atomization
1:04:52 Al vs Primitivism
1:12:45 The life of an artist
We discuss the origin of trauma studies, self branding on social media and the ideology of the professional class. Liu has an unwavering commitment to historical materialism and a fierce critique of elitist academies. She explores the intense moralism of our times as it relates to the Freudian super-ego.
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Trauma studies
9:30 Self branding & self help
14:45 Professional managerial class
23:15 Virtue hoarders
35:05 Rebellion & super-ego
42:26 Liberal elites
48:15 The new right
59:40 Economic decline
1:09:55 Progressive neoliberalism
1:15:15 Big donor leftism
1:23:41 Techno-feudalism
I’ve spent the last few years interviewing young people who make radical posts online and later find their way into real world politics. Irony and humor play a huge role in this process. For the first episode, I wanted to talk to one of my favorite posters who has also lived his politics in the real world.
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0:00 Intro
1:13 Edgy teens
7:16 LARP politics
17:00 Humor & maturity
23:38 Overton window
31:37 Pro union GOP vs China
43:27 Socialism vs anarchism
48:41 Social media vs organization
1:01:40 Reform vs revolution
1:14:28 Being in the real world
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