Uploaded January 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
A major UFO focused event took place on January 20th at the Washington DC Press Club, hosted by James Fox and centred on legacy crash retrieval programs, alleged non human biologics, and decades old cases that may now be revisited using modern science.
In this episode, Andy is joined by researcher and analyst Joe Murgia to break down what was said on stage, what matters most, and why key evidence still remains out of reach.
Topics include the proposed exhumation of a body linked to the Brazil Varginha case, missing videos described as potential smoking gun evidence, whistleblower protections, national security concerns, and the ongoing absence of mainstream media coverage.
They also explore a growing question in the UFO conversation. Has disclosure stalled, or is the public now at the point where it will only accept bodies or craft as undeniable proof.
https://x.com/TheUfoJoe
Chapters and timestamps available below.
Timestamps
00:00 Smoking gun UFO videos and why no one has seen them
01:00 Introduction and welcome Joe Murgia back
03:10 Why the UFO conversation feels stalled to the public
05:40 2017 changed everything and why people forget how quiet it was before
07:20 First reactions to the Washington DC Press Club UFO event
09:10 Carlos de Sousa and the Brazil biologics case
12:30 The proposal to exhume a body using modern science
15:10 Missing Brazil footage and the risks of holding it
17:00 Chuck Clark footage and the problem with unreleased evidence
18:40 Lack of mainstream media coverage and why it matters
21:00 Why big stories sometimes get killed before publication
24:10 Burning sources and the risks of premature leaks
26:00 Whistleblower protections and who will test them first
29:10 National security versus non human biologics
31:45 If one country had a craft and another didn’t, that’s game over
34:20 Do governments actually control advanced UFO technology
36:50 Are insiders lying or just seeing different parts of the puzzle
40:10 Luis Elizondo’s new book and why details vanished online
45:00 Why disclosure narratives keep resetting
47:10 Is disclosure failing or being endlessly delayed
49:30 Skywatcher, Jake Barber, and the silence after big claims
54:40 Why even one piece of solid evidence would change everything
57:40 The toothpaste out of the tube problem
59:00 Bodies or craft and why the public is done waiting
01:01:10 Would anyone believe disclosure anymore
01:03:00 Listener questions begin
01:12:00 Best UFO documentaries and public accessibility
01:13:40 Roswell one crash or two
01:18:30 Why revealing a craft could trigger global conflict
01:21:10 Jacques Vallée and the control system theory
01:26:00 Does human history look like it’s going well
01:30:00 Fear, consciousness, and motivation theories
01:34:00 Final thoughts and closing remarks
Support the podcast via Patreon, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube memberships.
Links and merch available at thatufopodcast.com
Andy’s book Atlas of Unidentified Flying Objects is available now worldwide.
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👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps!
Thanks for listening,
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🎵 Music Credits:
"Girl with the Saucer Eyes" – Adam Goldsack → bitly.ws/kvIK
"Goblin Problems" – Sean Cahill → bitly.ws/kvIL
A major UFO focused event took place on January 20th at the Washington DC Press Club, hosted by James Fox and centred on legacy crash retrieval programs, alleged non human biologics, and decades old cases that may now be revisited using modern science.
In this episode, Andy is joined by researcher and analyst Joe Murgia to break down what was said on stage, what matters most, and why key evidence still remains out of reach.
Topics include the proposed exhumation of a body linked to the Brazil Varginha case, missing videos described as potential smoking gun evidence, whistleblower protections, national security concerns, and the ongoing absence of mainstream media coverage.
They also explore a growing question in the UFO conversation. Has disclosure stalled, or is the public now at the point where it will only accept bodies or craft as undeniable proof.
https://x.com/TheUfoJoe
Chapters and timestamps available below.
Timestamps
00:00 Smoking gun UFO videos and why no one has seen them
01:00 Introduction and welcome Joe Murgia back
03:10 Why the UFO conversation feels stalled to the public
05:40 2017 changed everything and why people forget how quiet it was before
07:20 First reactions to the Washington DC Press Club UFO event
09:10 Carlos de Sousa and the Brazil biologics case
12:30 The proposal to exhume a body using modern science
15:10 Missing Brazil footage and the risks of holding it
17:00 Chuck Clark footage and the problem with unreleased evidence
18:40 Lack of mainstream media coverage and why it matters
21:00 Why big stories sometimes get killed before publication
24:10 Burning sources and the risks of premature leaks
26:00 Whistleblower protections and who will test them first
29:10 National security versus non human biologics
31:45 If one country had a craft and another didn’t, that’s game over
34:20 Do governments actually control advanced UFO technology
36:50 Are insiders lying or just seeing different parts of the puzzle
40:10 Luis Elizondo’s new book and why details vanished online
45:00 Why disclosure narratives keep resetting
47:10 Is disclosure failing or being endlessly delayed
49:30 Skywatcher, Jake Barber, and the silence after big claims
54:40 Why even one piece of solid evidence would change everything
57:40 The toothpaste out of the tube problem
59:00 Bodies or craft and why the public is done waiting
01:01:10 Would anyone believe disclosure anymore
01:03:00 Listener questions begin
01:12:00 Best UFO documentaries and public accessibility
01:13:40 Roswell one crash or two
01:18:30 Why revealing a craft could trigger global conflict
01:21:10 Jacques Vallée and the control system theory
01:26:00 Does human history look like it’s going well
01:30:00 Fear, consciousness, and motivation theories
01:34:00 Final thoughts and closing remarks
Support the podcast via Patreon, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube memberships.
Links and merch available at thatufopodcast.com
Andy’s book Atlas of Unidentified Flying Objects is available now worldwide.
🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:
🛸 YouTube Memberships: youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join
🛸 Patreon: patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast
🛸 Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397
🛸 Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ
🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast
📲 Connect with the show:
Twitter: @UFOUAPAM
Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast
YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast
Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com
All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam
Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com
👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps!
Thanks for listening,
Andy
🎵 Music Credits:
"Girl with the Saucer Eyes" – Adam Goldsack → bitly.ws/kvIK
"Goblin Problems" – Sean Cahill → bitly.ws/kvIL
