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An interview with Dr. Keiron Le Grice by Bonnie Bright, Ph.D.
C.G. Jung contended that our personalities are made up of a multitude of archetypes, Dr. Keiron Le Grice, Chair of the Jungian and Archetypal Studies program at Pacifica Graduate Institute, reminded me when he recently sat down with me to share his insights into the field of depth psychology. Each archetype asserts its own aims, moods, and ideas on our personalities, influencing our lives on a day-to-day basis. Jungian and depth psychologies, by aiming to make what is unconscious conscious, offer an entrance point into recognizing and understanding the various deep forces that move through us from one day to the next, engendering a deep comprehension of the psyche and the motivations, instincts, and impulses that are at work in our lives.
Individuation, a term coined by Jung, is a way that we can come to terms with this multiplicity of forces, and to attune to a greater organizing force, perhaps looked at as “the god within.” An archetypal view can enable us to find deep meaning in life, Keiron notes. We live in a time when we no longer have a religious, spiritual, or mythological framework to provide orientation in our lives. To be able to turn within, through the study of dreams and synchronicities that occur to us, through direct engagement with the unconscious and through spiritual experiences, we can begin to find our own personal sense of meaning. When we encounter the numinous, (a term coined by Rudolf Otto and adopted by Jung), that tremendous and fascinating mystery that underlies our experience can ground us in our own spiritual and moral autonomies. We need to each find our own individual myth at a time when the collective myths are rendered invalid by the dominant scientific rational perspective in the western worldview.
Keiron became interested in spirituality in his late teens, particularly dedicating himself to learning astrology (which led him to Jung’s writings), then studying philosophy and psychology at university in England. Disappointed at how mainstream academia bypassed Jungian ideas, Keiron read most of Jung’s Collected Works in his spare time, and pursued the work of Joseph Campbell after seeing him interviewed by Bill Moyers for The Power of Myth. He found himself most impressed with Jung’s Two Essays on Analytical Psychology, written in the 1920s, which focused on the role of archetypes in individuation, and described how these ideas really gripped him. He felt like he was tapping into a deep current in his life, he declares. In his late twenties, his interests in astrology, Jung, and Campbell evolved into a book, The Archetypal Cosmos, which was ultimately published in 2010.
For people who are predisposed to find their way in this field, there’s a “right time,” Keiron maintains. For him, discovering depth psychology so early in his life was perhaps something of an impediment to participating in the world because when one is powerfully drawn to the depths of the psyche, it can have a tendency to pull us away from the world, a concept even Jung made note of in his many writings. After having some profound spiritual experiences in his late teens and early twenties, Keiron reveals how he made a conscious decision to put some of it aside for a while and “build his ego” in Jungian terms. He believes, however, that his early exposure was helpful, providing a strong foundation as he took time to integrate and really discern which ideas were relevant and valuable to him and which were not.
Now, years later, as professor and chair of a Jungian and Archetypal studies program, Keiron is keenly aware that the “gifts” of Jungian and depth psychology are that they empower the individual to find a spiritual, mythic, or symbolic mode of being in the world, which, in his words, can counter a sense of existential meaningless which is so prevalent today. It may well be the responsibility of depth psychology practitioners to bring awareness and recognition around the dark side of the unconscious energies that have not been brought into conscious awareness and which manifest in destructive ways, he asserts.
Keiron has recently published a new book called Archetypal Reflections: Insights and Ideas from Jungian Psychology, which emerged in a way from exactly that kind of archetypal web he refers to. It is a compilation of short writings and reflections Keiron initially made online in the form of posts to graduate students in the hybrid Jungian and Archetypal Studies program at Pacifica. These reflections encompass a variety of depth psychological topics organized into themes, including archetypes, individuation, synchronicity, the evolution of consciousness, and the mind/matter relationship among them, delving into material that is essential for both seasoned scholars of depth psychologies as well as those who are new to it.
For more information, visit:
DepthInsights.com
OR
InstituteforSoulCenteredPsychologyAndCoaching.com
An interview with Dr. Keiron Le Grice by Bonnie Bright, Ph.D.
C.G. Jung contended that our personalities are made up of a multitude of archetypes, Dr. Keiron Le Grice, Chair of the Jungian and Archetypal Studies program at Pacifica Graduate Institute, reminded me when he recently sat down with me to share his insights into the field of depth psychology. Each archetype asserts its own aims, moods, and ideas on our personalities, influencing our lives on a day-to-day basis. Jungian and depth psychologies, by aiming to make what is unconscious conscious, offer an entrance point into recognizing and understanding the various deep forces that move through us from one day to the next, engendering a deep comprehension of the psyche and the motivations, instincts, and impulses that are at work in our lives.
Individuation, a term coined by Jung, is a way that we can come to terms with this multiplicity of forces, and to attune to a greater organizing force, perhaps looked at as “the god within.” An archetypal view can enable us to find deep meaning in life, Keiron notes. We live in a time when we no longer have a religious, spiritual, or mythological framework to provide orientation in our lives. To be able to turn within, through the study of dreams and synchronicities that occur to us, through direct engagement with the unconscious and through spiritual experiences, we can begin to find our own personal sense of meaning. When we encounter the numinous, (a term coined by Rudolf Otto and adopted by Jung), that tremendous and fascinating mystery that underlies our experience can ground us in our own spiritual and moral autonomies. We need to each find our own individual myth at a time when the collective myths are rendered invalid by the dominant scientific rational perspective in the western worldview.
Keiron became interested in spirituality in his late teens, particularly dedicating himself to learning astrology (which led him to Jung’s writings), then studying philosophy and psychology at university in England. Disappointed at how mainstream academia bypassed Jungian ideas, Keiron read most of Jung’s Collected Works in his spare time, and pursued the work of Joseph Campbell after seeing him interviewed by Bill Moyers for The Power of Myth. He found himself most impressed with Jung’s Two Essays on Analytical Psychology, written in the 1920s, which focused on the role of archetypes in individuation, and described how these ideas really gripped him. He felt like he was tapping into a deep current in his life, he declares. In his late twenties, his interests in astrology, Jung, and Campbell evolved into a book, The Archetypal Cosmos, which was ultimately published in 2010.
For people who are predisposed to find their way in this field, there’s a “right time,” Keiron maintains. For him, discovering depth psychology so early in his life was perhaps something of an impediment to participating in the world because when one is powerfully drawn to the depths of the psyche, it can have a tendency to pull us away from the world, a concept even Jung made note of in his many writings. After having some profound spiritual experiences in his late teens and early twenties, Keiron reveals how he made a conscious decision to put some of it aside for a while and “build his ego” in Jungian terms. He believes, however, that his early exposure was helpful, providing a strong foundation as he took time to integrate and really discern which ideas were relevant and valuable to him and which were not.
Now, years later, as professor and chair of a Jungian and Archetypal studies program, Keiron is keenly aware that the “gifts” of Jungian and depth psychology are that they empower the individual to find a spiritual, mythic, or symbolic mode of being in the world, which, in his words, can counter a sense of existential meaningless which is so prevalent today. It may well be the responsibility of depth psychology practitioners to bring awareness and recognition around the dark side of the unconscious energies that have not been brought into conscious awareness and which manifest in destructive ways, he asserts.
Keiron has recently published a new book called Archetypal Reflections: Insights and Ideas from Jungian Psychology, which emerged in a way from exactly that kind of archetypal web he refers to. It is a compilation of short writings and reflections Keiron initially made online in the form of posts to graduate students in the hybrid Jungian and Archetypal Studies program at Pacifica. These reflections encompass a variety of depth psychological topics organized into themes, including archetypes, individuation, synchronicity, the evolution of consciousness, and the mind/matter relationship among them, delving into material that is essential for both seasoned scholars of depth psychologies as well as those who are new to it.
For more information, visit:
DepthInsights.com
OR
InstituteforSoulCenteredPsychologyAndCoaching.com
![Navigating the Depths: How the Psychoid and Unus Mundus Can Help Us Transcend Trauma
An Interview with Ann Belford Ulanov, Ph.D., L.H.D., by Bonnie Bright, Ph.D.
Ann Belford Ulanov, Ph.D., L.H.D., is a Jungian analyst in private practice in New York City, a member of the Jungian Analytic Association, and former Christiane Brooks Johnson Professor of Psychiatry and Religion at Union Theological Seminary. An internationally known lecturer and prolific author, among her many articles and books are the highly acclaimed Cinderella and Her Sisters: The Envied and the Envying; Spiritual Aspects of Clinical Work; The Wisdom of the Psyche; The Unshuttered Heart: Opening to Aliveness/ Deadness in the Self; The Living God and Our Living Psyche; and Madness and Creativity.
Ann’s most recent book, The Psychoid, Soul and Psyche: Piercing Space-Time Barriers, explores Carl Gustav Jung’s concept of the psychoid. “Psychoid refers to unconscious processes that are unrepresentable in word or image,” Ann says. “We live them, but we don’t know about them. And they can make us feel mad, not angry, but crazy, and I believe they can also be a third source of healing.” She goes on to describe psychoid as “this unrepresentable level of the unconscious processes. [Jung] would say the archetype, for example, is of a psychoid nature, meaning by that, you don’t experience it directly. You experience it through derivatives. An emotion will grip you; a behavior will possess you or compel you. Images would arise or attract you.”
There is a connection between experiencing the psychoid and synchronicities, those “meaningful coincidences.” [1] Ann recalls that Jung defined a synchronistic experience as “non-causal elements coincide and bestow on us, or impact us with an experience of deep meaningfulness, and we aren’t clear whether the meaning exists external to us, so it feels it does, but somehow we participate in it.” Furthermore, Ann says, “the psychoid and synchronicity evoke each other, and both, for Jung, have moments of making you feel connected to what he called the unus mundus, the one world, the larger surround, not just in which we live, but in which life is.”
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www.DepthInsights.com
OR
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![Love and Relationships as a Spiritual Path in the 21st Century: A Jungian Perspective
An Interview with Polly Young-Eisendrath, by Bonnie Bright, Ph.D.
Personal love—that is, love that we feel within—has changed in the 21st century, according to Jungian analyst, Polly Young-Eisendrath. In this day and age, we seek three very specific outcomes in our relationships that have not always been sought in “traditional” relationships. First, we want relationships that take place between equals, which are reciprocal and mutual. Second, we want to choose whomever we want to love and not be bound to traditions or tribes. Finally, we long to be witnessed by another person who really knows, sees, understands, and hears us.
These three goals have become increasingly present in relationships in the 21st century, making these relationships more difficult to navigate and sustain because everything becomes subject to negotiation, Polly explains. Developing a long-lasting, committed relationship that includes not only companionship, but also friendship, while working to build a family with these three new expectations, can be very challenging. Further, we have become highly invested in choosing a partner with whom we expect we will be wholly witnessed and seen, and if these expectations are not met, it can generate painful personal feelings. It often leads us to believe we cannot remain in such a relationship and still be true to ourselves.
In 1925, Polly notes, C. G. Jung published an essay entitled, “Marriage of the Psychological Relationship,”[1] in which he suggests that as soon as marriages stopped being arranged for us from our own tribe and we decided to choose for ourselves someone outside the tribe who appealed to us, relationships began to change. They began to require more psychological development of the individuals in the relationships, through which they would learn to see themselves and their own propensity for creating projections and disavowing aggressions. If we do not engage psychologically, we are poised to be unhappy and disillusioned.
Throughout the ages, people have taken vows to stay together until death, through sickness and health. It was not necessarily because they expected they would be the greatest of friends, or that they would serve as witnesses to each other, Polly (who is speaking at the June 2018 conference at Pacifica, Trauma and Transcendence) reminded me in a recent interview. Rather, it was often so that the family legacy could continue from generation to generation. By extending the family lineage, the original family could pass along their wealth in the form of land or the family business. In this practice, marriage was essentially like a corporation. People entered into it as a contract, and then stayed in it because they “didnt want to be fired,” Polly asserts. These days, however, people pay more attention to personal desire, to whether we feel a marriage suits us, and if we feel we are getting something out of it, personally. The commitment of marriage has changed from being a vow of impersonal loyalty to one of personal loyalty, which requires a whole different set of skills than previously needed, especially for the relationship to continue over time.
Unfortunately, relational trauma can occur when we perceive that the partner we have chosen to witness us is failing us. As the initial idealization that accompanies a new relationship begins to wane, we tend to perceive limitations in the other and find them lacking. This leads to power struggles, followed quickly by projective identification, where both people project all the hurt, rejections, and humiliations that they have never managed to address within themselves onto the other person. Once the other person starts identifying with that image, both parties feel betrayed because the other is simply not showing up in the way that was expected. When each partner looks in the mirror of the other’s eyes, they see a negative image of themselves, which causes a vicious cycle in which each individual is uncomfortable, upset, or defensive. This can continue in a painful way as each individual deals with the most difficult, destructive, and traumatic relational themes they have ever encountered in the past.
Dissatisfaction then leads individuals to see the other as the source of their unhappiness. They can feel betrayed when they feel the other person knows them personally and yet still offends them. In this way, individuals create an “intimate enemy.” In Jungian terminology, this process is the projection of the shadow. However, this scenario also creates the greatest possibility for transformation. As Jung wrote, this process is really the opening to the individuation process for both people.
For more information, visit:
www.DepthInsights.com
OR
www.InstituteforSoulCenteredPsychologyAndCoaching.com Love and Relationships as a Spiritual Path in the 21st Century: A Jungian Perspective](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/icfp0hsfl4U/mqdefault.jpg)
