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From sunrise surf sessions to unplugged retreats, Matt Mullenweg, CEO of Automattic, shares the daily rituals that keep him energized while leading his team across 90 countries.
Watch the full episode for more.
#podcast #work #life
Snowflake serves over 12,000 customers, and early executives Chris Degnan and Denise Persson share how they scaled the company while keeping the unlikely pairing of sales and marketing perfectly aligned through hypergrowth.
They join Joubin Mirzadegan to share insights from their new book, Make It Snow, revealing how they built Snowflake’s ‘go-to-market engine’ and fostered a customer-first culture across every function.
Guests: Chris Degnan, former CRO and advisor to the CEO at Snowflake, and Denise Persson, CMO at Snowflake.
Connect with Chris Degnan
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00:00 Intro
01:32 Make It Snow
04:46 Lessons from Snowflake
32:05 Demand Generation
42:50 Hiring the Right People
51:08 Snowflake Culture
54:44 Loyalty vs Performance
01:10:05 Managing a Growing Team
01:13:10 Early Hiring Impact
On Grit, Sebastian Thrun shares the purpose behind building companies like Waymo and Udacity: creating innovations that improve lives and protect people, driven more by impact than recognition or profit.
Catch his full conversation with Joubin Mirzadegan.
#podcast #business
At Automattic, every employee takes a months-long sabbatical every five years, a policy that might seem risky, but one Matt believes makes the company stronger.
Find out how in the full episode with Joubin Mirzadegan. Link in comments.
That’s why we’re leading @SummationAI’s $35M Series A with Benchmark.
Founded by Ian Wong and RC Carter, Summation is reinventing enterprise performance management with a new category: decision-grade AI. By unifying financial and operational data into one trusted model and deploying AI agents to automate reporting, analysis, and deep dives, the platform delivers boardroom-ready insights in real time.
Just as ERP systems defined the ’90s and cloud infrastructure defined the 2010s, we believe AI-native decision infrastructure will define the next era of enterprise technology. Summation is leading the way.
To learn more or request a demo, visit www.summation.com.
Jay Kreps, co-founder of Confluent, explains why building a company that truly moves the world takes patience and the ability to stay relevant as the world changes.
Find out how Confluent continues to make a lasting impact.
#podcast #business
MAI is changing that. Built by ex Google and Instacart engineers, MAI’s AI agents create, monitor, and optimize campaigns 24/7, dynamically adjusting spend in real time and guaranteeing ROAS.
Check out Mai: mai.co
This week on Grit, Sebastian Thrun, the “godfather” of self-driving cars and massive open online courses, reflects on a career pushing the boundaries of technology across mobility, education, and AI.
With Joubin Mirzadegan, he shares why he believes autonomous driving could become the biggest lifesaving technology in history, and how a wake-up call led him to found Udacity to truly democratize higher education.
Guest: Sebastian Thrun, CEO of Stealth Startup, founder of Google X and Udacity
Connect with Sebastian Thrun
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/sebastian-thrun-59a0b273
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Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
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00:00:00 Opening
00:00:56 Sebastian Thrun
00:09:38 Self-Driving Cars
00:18:26 The DARPA Grand Challenge
00:24:01 The Evolution of Waymo
00:37:24 Kitty Hawk
00:42:44 Balancing Multiple Projects
00:53:37 The Future of Agent AI
00:58:00 Building a Resilient Team
01:12:12 Grit
Matt Mullenweg, co-founder of WordPress, explains why every great company’s setbacks prove the long view matters most, and how those moments shape better founders.
Tune in to the full episode now.
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Jay Kreps, co-founder and CEO of Confluent, admits the truth most won’t: the job isn’t fun for most. Solving high-stakes problems comes with stress that not everyone wants, and the engineer’s path can sometimes look more appealing. Full episode linked in the comments.
#podcast #leadership #business
No-code was about pulling them closer—drag, drop, and shape it yourself.
Now, agentic AI takes it further: you describe what you want, inspect the results, and finally hold the power to reshape the machine.
Catch Howie’s full story building Airtable on the latest episode of Kleiner Perkins Grit Podcast.
#podcast #ai
Matt Mullenweg, co-founder of WordPress and CEO of Automattic, joins Joubin Mirzadegan to reflect on two decades of building the platform that now powers over 43% of all websites through cycles of doubt, decline, and reinvention.
He also shares how Automattic aligns employees with its mission to democratize publishing and commerce through paid sabbaticals and remote work.
Guest: Matt Mullenweg, co-founder of WordPress and founder and CEO of Automattic
Connect with Matt Mullenweg
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Catch the full episode with Joubin Mirzadegan.
#podcast #business #ai #tech
Phia is an AI shopping agent that sits in your browser and makes it easier to shop. It surfaces the best prices instantly and is expanding into sizing, reviews, and personalized discovery.
Since launch, Phia has already amassed 500,000 users, over 5,000 direct brand partners, and driven tens of millions of dollars in sales.
Check out Phia on the App Store: join.phia.com or download the Chrome extension at GoPhia.com.
Airtable’s Howie Liu says startups have only a fleeting window, and patience runs out fast.
That’s why in the early days, it’s an all-out sprint. Only once you’ve found fit does the marathon begin.
Hear Airtable CEO Howie Liu on Grit.
#podcast #business #speed
When Bill McDermott’s house burned down, his mother reframed tragedy as hope.
She said, “it’s rebuildable” and taught him that optimism is the only way to face life’s toughest challenges.
This is how Bill McDermott built grit.
#podcast #business #story
Jay Kreps joins Joubin Mirzadegan to share how Confluent became the ‘central nervous system’ for companies like Expedia and eBay, letting them respond to business operations instantly.
They also break down why the myth of AI-driven efficiency falls short, and why building truly transformative companies takes far longer than most people expect.
Guest: Jay Kreps, Co-Founder & CEO of Confluent
Connect with Jay
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Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
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Chapters:
(00:00) Trailer
(00:57) Introduction
(02:28) Joining Anthropic’s board
(11:11) Early Confluent lessons & layoffs
(21:45) Golden ticket to California
(30:27) Competing with AWS
(37:54) Surviving waves of change
(44:59) Lessons from the military
(51:04) Sprint vs. marathon
(1:02:41) Parenting, privilege & perspective
(1:16:29) Who Confluent is hiring
(1:16:57) What "grit" means to Jay
(1:17:10) Outro
But without visibility into the data model, workflows stay hidden under the hood.
For Howie Liu, co-founder and CEO of Airtable, the real power is giving anyone—not just developers—the ability to inspect, edit, and trust what’s built.
#business #podcast #ai
The reason?
To embrace change and grow into the leader he knew he could become.
Bill McDermott (CEO, ServiceNow) this week on Grit.
#podcast #story #business
Drew Houston reflects on why the office makes flow states nearly impossible, and what it means to design work differently.
Catch the full episode now.
#productivity #business #podcast
This week on Grit, Airtable CEO Howie Liu shares what it means to “refound” a company, how speed comes from tearing up old playbooks, and why conversational AI is reshaping his product—and his company.
Guest: Howie Liu, Co-Founder & CEO of Airtable
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:04 First startup & YC
04:06 Salesforce acqui-hire
07:31 Life-changing exit at 22
11:07 Scaling too fast, layoffs
14:04 Sparks vs. coasting growth
19:33 Two years to launch
24:04 Could AI Build It Faster?
27:06 Vibe coding & AI startups
36:47 Everyone can build software
41:08 Refounding Airtable with AI
51:04 Sprint vs. marathon
58:15 Cap tables & control
01:03:29 Always be hiring
01:05:00 What grit means
Connect with Howie
X: https://x.com/howietl
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/howieliu
Connect with Airtable
Website: airtable.com
X: https://x.com/airtable
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/airtable
Connect with Joubin
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854
Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
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He started by bussing tables in a tuxedo at an Italian restaurant.
As he cleared dishes, he dreamed of one day sitting at those tables.
That hunger never left.
Hear Bill McDermott (CEO, ServiceNow) on Grit. Link in comments.'
#podcast #businessman #story
Dropbox founder Drew Houston explains why every first-time CEO has to learn the business side on the job, and why even the best technologists can’t skip that step.
#podcast #success
Dan Lee shares how small teams maintain momentum by pairing relentless curiosity with focus, pursuing only the projects that truly create an impact.
Full conversation with Joubin Mirzadegan and Leigh Marie Braswell.
#podcast #energy #team #focus #business
On this Labor Day rerun of Grit, first published Jan 9, 2023, the ServiceNow CEO reflects on what he learned from his earliest jobs and how he carried those lessons from a deli counter in Long Island to the boardroom of an $80B software company.
Links:
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Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
Learn more about Kleiner Perkins: kleinerperkins.com
00:00 Introduction
05:20 How a Teen Took on 7-Eleven — and Won
09:37 The Xerox Interview: Outworking Everyone
13:54 Why Optimism Makes You a Rock for Others
18:04 Turning Work Into a Calling
23:20 The Promise to His Father That Drove Him
31:21 Living in the Now While Planning Ahead
34:49 Walking Away from Xerox: Tough Lessons at Gartner
40:42 Sloan Kettering & Father Michael Judge
46:29 Chasing Dreams vs. Building ServiceNow
52:35 Losing an Eye — and Gaining Courage from Heroes
01:02:41 Why He Bookended with the Kennedys
01:08:25 Who ServiceNow is hiring
01:09:13 What "grit" means to Bill
01:09:24 Outro
Together, they share the story of Harvey’s founding, the early decisions that shaped the company, and how they’re building durable AI products for the legal industry and beyond.
This highlight reel captures the best moments from Summer 2025: Fellows at work, community events, and the energy that makes this program one of a kind.
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Garrett reflects on Handshake’s early days—convincing universities and employers to change entrenched systems—and shares why the company is now betting big on Handshake AI. He opens up about the challenges of scaling a marketplace and an AI business in parallel, how he thinks about leadership and ambition, and what advice he’d give his younger self.
Dropbox CEO Drew Houston explains why AI may draft your emails, but it won’t replace the relational parts of leadership.
Catch the full episode of Grit.
#ai #podcast #leadership
Dan Lee, CEO and Co-founder of Nooks, breaks down why small, AI powered teams can generate massive results, yet lasting success still demands differentiation.
Tune into the full episode now.
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Shishir Mehrotra, CEO of Grammarly, reflects on a culture where ambition is instinctive and building is the default response to curiosity.
Hear his thoughts on the full episode now.
#podcast #business
This week on Grit, Dropbox co-founder and CEO Drew Houston retraces the path from a bus-stop prototype to competing head-on with Google, Apple, and Microsoft.
He explains why grit is “learning to run toward discomfort,” and the moments he realized founders keep going “for the love of the game.”
Guest: Drew Houston, Co-Founder & CEO of Dropbox
Chapters:
00:00 Trailer
00:52 Introduction
01:35 Towards full autonomy
16:20 Coming back to school
21:45 Golden ticket to California
25:23 No one’s born a CEO
28:15 Y Combinator and a co-founder
37:53 The craft of being a great CEO
53:41 Metabolizing the stress
1:10:14 Tactical advices and frameworks
1:27:48 Who Dropbox is hiring
1:29:35 What “grit” means to Drew
1:32:10 Outro
Links:
Connect with Drew
X: https://x.com/drewhouston
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/drewhouston
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854
Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
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Dan Lee explains why AI can handle emails, research, and outreach, but the real advantage in sales still comes from humans talking to prospects.
Catch the full episode now. Link in the comments.
#ai #podcast #business
On Grit, Shishir shares how they rewired the model, cracked monetization, and turned YouTube into an unstoppable force integral to daily life for billions.
#podcast #youtube #google #business
His brain is tuned to the nuances of what he built. That’s product intuition in motion.
Tune into the full episode now.
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This week on Grit, Dan Lee shares how Nooks automates busywork like research and dialing for thousands of sales teams, letting reps focus on the conversations that close deals.
He also shares his “do more with less” approach, why cold calls still convert, and how to maximize human impact alongside AI.
Guests: Dan Lee, CEO and Co-founder of Nooks and Leigh Marie Braswell, Partner at Kleiner Perkins
Chapters:
00:00 Trailer
00:48 Introduction
01:31 Deep urge to solve problems
09:10 A million whys
18:50 Standing out from the noise
24:29 Smaller team + AI?
31:03 Speed-running the degree
41:35 More than a project
46:22 Making something old new again
50:16 Build something you’re passionate about
53:02 Disagreements produces better ideas
57:29 Who Nooks is hiring
57:48 What “grit” means to Dan
58:28 Outro
Connect with Dan Lee:
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dan9lee
Connect with Leigh Marie Braswell
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Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
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That’s the question Shishir Mehrotra brought to a design sprint with Superhuman’s Rahul Vohra. They’re reimagining email with AI at its core, as a thinking partner. It’s the next evolution of productivity, and maybe the future of communication itself.
Catch the full episode with Joubin Mirzadegan now.
#podcast #ai
At Notion, interviews are built to strip away the script and formality, replacing performance with honest conversation. To complete the picture, the team also leans on backchannel references for context no interview could ever provide.
#podcast #interview
His new one? Give Freely, a self-funded browser extension that donates 100% of the displayed percentage to the charity you choose.
Find out why he’s betting on this to create more impact than any donation.
Ivan Zhao, co-founder of Notion, joins Joubin Mirzadegan to unpack why the models weren’t ready, and how building with AI requires timing and relentless experimentation.
Tune into the full episode with Joubin Mirzadegan.
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This week on Grit, Shishir Mehrotra shares how the Coda and Grammarly collaboration unlocks context as a “superpower,” reflects on his early days at Google and YouTube, and hints at a future where tools anticipate intent and amplify how we work.
He also shares how this paves the way for agent-based workflows and AI-native communication, beginning with Superhuman’s email experience.
Guest: Shishir Mehrotra, co-founder of Coda and CEO of Grammarly
Chapters:
00:00 Trailer
01:24 Introduction
02:09 Zoo vs safari
12:02 A TV ahead of its time
21:25 Product decisions
31:25 The data behind the algorithm
37:26 The AI native productivity suite
48:06 Agents are digital humans
57:55 Pressure trade-off
1:12:50 Insulated from judgment
1:25:19 Who Grammarly is hiring
1:25:51 What “grit” means to Shishir
1:29:30 Outro
Mentioned in this episode:
YouTube, Ray William Johnson, Spotify, Twitch, MTV, Chris Cox, Facebook, TikTok, Google TV, Centrata, Google Chrome, Android, Gmail, Microsoft, Super Bowl, Mosaic, Panasonic, Sony, Susan Wojcicki, Rishi Chandra, Apple TV, Amazon Firestick, Comcast, LoudCloud (Opsware), Quest Communications, AT&T Southwestern Bell, Salar Kamangar, Patrick Pichette, Eric Schmidt, OpenAI ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Mark Zuckerberg, Meta Platforms, Sundar Pichai, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Hamilton, Reid Hoffman, Sam Altman, Tesla, Waymo, Airtable, Notion, Max Lytvyn, Alex Shevchenko, Superhuman, Duolingo, Luis von Ahn, Khan Academy, MrBeast, Facebook Messenger, Snap (Snapchat), WhatsApp, Google+, Meta LLaMa, Satya Nadella, Tim Cook, Daniel Gross
Connect with Shishir:
X: https://x.com/shishirmehrotra
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/shishirmehrotra
Connect with Joubin:
X: https://x.com/Joubinmir
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854
Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
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🎧 Full episode: youtu.be/QIIuumT-og4
In this episode of Grit, Steve Kaufer, co-founder of Tripadvisor shares how their deal with Expedia gave him more independence than he expected, and why that control convinced him to stay.
Tune into the full episode via the link in the comments.
#podcast #business
Catch the full episode now.
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In this episode of Grit, the Tripadvisor founder explains how structured content, user value, and early SEO instincts helped them dominate search, while other travel tech companies stayed invisible.
Catch the full episode with Joubin Mirzadegan now.
#podcast #tech #business
He shares why the AI agent still hasn’t arrived, and how Notion’s modular approach might be the closest thing to making it real.
Guest: Ivan Zhao, co-founder and CEO of Notion
Chapters:
00:00 Trailer
00:41 Introduction
01:23 Burrito kind of person
08:04 Care about craft
15:09 Deep simplicity
22:45 The culture
26:46 Starting with no English
30:46 There needs to be more
42:37 Refactoring yourself
50:28 There's a human in there
59:33 Repetitive but fun
01:09:27 Starting with somebody
01:10:23 Outside Notion
01:12:00 Hiring and management
01:17:16 Schedule, exercise, reading
01:19:30 Tech is never distributed evenly
01:26:37 Who Notion is hiring
01:27:25 What “grit” means to Ivan
01:28:04 Outro
Mentioned in this episode: Fuzzy Khosrowshahi, Airbnb, Sequoia Capital, Linear, Figma, Apple, Things, Microsoft, BMW, Lumiere, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, Rippling, Matt MacInnis, Inkling, Steve Jobs, Douglas Engelbart, Alan Kay, Bill Gates, OpenAI ChatGPT, Y Combinator, Andrej Karpathy, Toby Schachman, Simon Last, Spotify, Slack
Connect with Ivan Zhao
X: https://x.com/ivanhzhao
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ivanhzhao
Connect with Joubin
X: https://x.com/Joubinmir
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854
Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com
Learn more about Kleiner Perkins: kleinerperkins.com
Garrett Lord explains why expert feedback is becoming critical infrastructure for AI, and how Handshake’s elaborate network is helping labs build smarter systems.
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We spent the day with the team in San Francisco and saw why they’re leading the next generation of go-to-market software. Relentless product focus, real customer insight, and speed at every level.
Learn more:
nooks.ai
They're hiring:
nooks.ai/careers


