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Rory and Alastair are joined by Baroness Hale, the first female President of The Supreme Court, to answer all this and more.
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Rory and Alastair are joined by the former Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Dmytro Kuleba (2022-2024) to discuss all this and more.
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Executive Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport
Rory and Alastair are joined by John Healey, The Secretary of State for Defence, to discuss all this and more.
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00:00 Intro
00:23 Wordsmith AI
01:48 How has labour and politics changed?
13:04 Farage, Reform, and flags
18:04 What government says it’s delivered
22:23 Why Healey is in politics
25:37 New Labour years
31:08 Revolut
32:26 Can we really spend 3% of GDP on defence?
36:19 Is the U.S. still reliable?
44:16 Ukraine & Gaza
47:04 “If war came fast”: MoD speed, accountability, deep reform
51:01 Russian incursions into NATO
58:08 Gaza
1:00:22 The case for Keir Starmer’s leadership
1:02:13 The Atlantic story: celebrating a law change by sailing
1:05:12 Debrief
Social Producer: Celine Charles
Producer: Alice Horrell
Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen
Head of Politics: Tom Whiter
Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport
Alastair and Rory are joined by Mike Pompeo, former US Secretary of State and CIA-Director, to discuss all this and more.
Visit https://www.HP.com/politics to find out more.
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00:00 Coming up
00:40 HP
02:03 Europe vs US views on Trump
06:20 Does Europe take the US for granted?
13:36 Putin & Ukraine
18:05 Middle East: Gaza war & “two-state solution is gone”
28:26 Revolut
29:36 Google AI
30:56 China as the strategic threat
35:50 Debrief
Social Producer: Celine Charles + Harry Balden
Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell
Producer: Nicole Maslen
Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport
Rory and Alastair are joined by captain of the England Rugby team, Maro Itoje, to discuss all this and more.
Visit https://www.HP.com/politics to find out more.
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00:00 – HP
01:18 – Guest intro: Maro Itoje
08:14 – African art, governance & identity
13:24 – Inequality, politics & class in Britain
22:08 – What it means to be a professional sportsman
28:04 – Rugby’s mindset and leadership skills
33:01 – Could Maro enter politics after rugby?
36:29 – Google AI – skills, unions & productivity
37:42 – Revolut – business tools & £200 welcome bonus
40:07 – Are human rights being abandoned globally?
43:54 – Immigration debate myths (small boats vs reality)
45:34 – Life after rugby
47:21 – Three things that give Maro hope
50:03 – Rory Stewart on the culture of politics
52:19 - Debrief
How do we reclaim the internet from social media companies taking away our sovereignty?
Have tech giants like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk thanked Tim for his invention?
Rory and Alastair are joined by Sir Tim Berners-Lee to discuss all this and more.
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00:00 - Intro
00:30 – HP
01:50 – Guest intro: Sir Tim Berners-Lee (inventor of the World Wide Web)
06:24 – Oxford physics, love of maths & chemistry
06:49 – The early internet
8:55 – The "good web" and the "bad web"
12:44 – Was capitalism good for the internet?
13:11 – The diagram: bad (Snapchat, TikTok, Insta) vs good (democracy, collaboration)
14:26 – CERN
15:22 – Building his own computer in the 1980s
17:10 – The unique atmosphere of CERN
18:12 – Inventing the Web
21:49 – Britain’s lost tech edge; Pi, ICL, Silicon Glen
23:31 – Why the US (ARPAnet) won; Europe left behind
#politics #podcast #ai #tech
24:59 – Lesson for Europe: avoid bureaucracy, fund innovation
25:24 – AI needs a CERN-style international hub, not national silos
26:58 – Sovereign LLMs vs international collaboration
27:44 – Revolut
28:58 – 2012 Olympics: “This is for everyone” moment
29:49 – Democracy risks from tech
33:15 – Are algorithms bad for us?
35:01 – Does Tim regret not cashing in?
37:29 – Politics: Gordon Brown’s open data push vs David Cameron’s disinterest
41:28 – Breaking the “walled gardens” of Facebook & LinkedIn
42:36 – AI
49:11 – Saddened by global politics; liberal decline
50:03 – Digital sovereignty 2.0?
51:03 – Invention myths: no “eureka moment,” long processes
51:49 – Book plug: This is for Everyone (Macmillan)
52:02 – Debrief
UNICEF spokesperson James Elder joins Alastair and Rory to answer all these questions and more.
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Why is the nation with the world’s richest sovereign wealth fund not ‘universally happy’? What can the UK learn from Norway’s relationship with the EU? Is Jonas Gahr Støre really standing between Trump and a Nobel Peace Prize?
Alastair and Rory are joined by The Prime Minister of Norway, Jonas Gahr Støre, to discuss all this and more.
Visit https://www.HP.com/politics to find out more.
Rory and Alastair are joined by former Leader of the SNP and First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, to answer all these questions and more.
Visit https://www.HP.com/politics to find out more.
00:00 Independence referendum and campaign struggles
01:02 HP & Windows 10
02:13 Childhood and upbringing
04:50 Class and social mobility in Scotland
09:55 Education and aspirations
11:47 Bullying and school friendships
15:32 University, vocational paths, and spreading wings
16:00 Thatcher’s impact and politicisation
21:45 Why not Labour? Joining the SNP
26:06 Evolution of the SNP
29:51 Scottish Parliament and devolution
33:09 Revenue, taxation, and powers
37:36 First election and imposter syndrome
39:59 Relationship with Alex Salmond
41:48 Tactical brilliance and symbolism
43:25 Independence referendum – framing and strategy
47:51 Currency, EU membership, and economic challenges
51:01 Civic nationalism vs. populist nationalism
55:07 Stress and panic during the white paper
59:05 Referendum debates and Project Fear
1:05:23 Aftermath of 2014 referendum
1:05:41 Brexit and Boris Johnson’s impact
1:06:23 Why a second referendum didn’t happen
1:08:29 What could have been done differently on independence
1:10:03 Building majority support and the legal limits of referendums
1:10:42 Relations with five Conservative prime ministers
1:12:05 Views on Boris Johnson, Trump, and populist politics
1:15:07 Sexism, misogyny, and rumors in politics
1:17:28 Smear campaigns and Russian disinformation
1:18:16 Women in politics and social media toxicity
1:19:10 Progressive causes: climate, immigration, and trans rights
1:22:45 Despair at timidity of the left
1:22:59 Alex Salmond scandal and reflections
1:25:00 Peter Murrell controversy
1:25:24 Women’s rights and the trans rights debate
1:28:00 Gender recognition reform and culture wars
1:29:06 Balancing women’s rights and trans rights
1:30:30 Regret over polarization and wishing for a pause
1:30:35 COVID inquiry, mental health, and seeking professional help
1:33:04 Life after politics and future plans
1:35:41 Debrief
How does Guyana balance its unprecedented economic growth, largely due to oil discoveries, with environmental sustainability?
How does Guyana perceive and address the historical scar left by slavery?
What has happened to West Indies cricket, and how does the future look?
Alastair is joined by President of Guyana, Ifraan Ali, to answer all these questions and more.
Social Producer: Harry Balden
Video Editor: Josh Smith
Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell
Producer: Nicole Maslen
Head of Content: Tom Whiter
00:00 – Where is Guyana? Borders, history, and language
02:01 – From second poorest to fastest-growing economy
03:20 – President Ali’s childhood and family background
05:09 – Life under dictatorship and the fight for democracy
07:47 – Relationship with the UK & the legacy of slavery
08:13 – Reframing reparations as a development pact
09:33 – Tackling slavery’s legacy
11:05 – Conversation with King Charles on forests and climate
12:22 – Ethnic and religious mix of Guyana
15:21 – Changing work culture and labour shortages
17:46 – Using oil revenue to build a diversified economy
18:42 – Guyana’s economic strengths beyond oil
20:48 – How Guyana became food self-sufficient
22:09 – Guarding against greed and corruption
24:41 – Sovereign wealth fund governance and the Norway model
27:02 – Carbon credits
30:09 – Keeping forests and biodiversity on the COP agenda
38:59 – Venezuela border dispute and ICJ process
41:49 – Ukraine and Gaza positions at the UN
44:41 – Why the UN needs bold reform
48:57 – The Decline of West Indies cricket
58:30 – Biodiversity as a global priority
59:47 – Strengthening UK-Guyana relations
#politics #internationalrelations #climate #development #latinamerica #caribbean
Alastair and Rory are joined by former Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to answer all this and more.
00:00 What made Jeremy Hunt?
20:26 Labour and the welfare reform challenge
30:02 UK tax choices and economic growth reform
47:07 Truss becomes PM, Hunt appointed Chancellor
57:04 The Thatcher legacy and Conservative identity
1:03:05 Strong communication vs strong governance
1:10:03 Tory brand damage post-Truss and Johnson
1:14:04 Elon Musk, libertarianism and the civil service
1:20:01 Democracy vs autocracy in global politics
1:23:01 Why Hunt remained in Parliament and ran again
1:24:56 Debrief
Rory and Alastair are joined by author of The Trading Game, Gary Stevenson, to discuss all this and more.
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00:00 – The collapse of the political centre and elite ignorance
03:36 – Gary’s background: growing up in Ilford, working-class, Mormon roots
06:51 – Mental health, family dynamics, and hiding struggles through work
14:00 – Culture shock at LSE and feeling out of place
21:00 – Evolution of trading floor culture: math geniuses vs cockney dealers
23:28 – Mental health collapse in Japan and rich ≠ happy
29:36 – How the rich benefited from 2008
32:12 – Why living standards will fall: the maths of inequality
35:04 – Why inequality doesn’t slow asset prices: bifurcating economy
37:03 – US vs UK comparison: is wealth inequality really the driver?
39:06 – Populism, class betrayal & why people back Farage and Trump
43:34 – Labour, Rachel Reeves, and class bias in policymaking
46:49 – Working-class economists: blocked paths and insider snobbery
51:04 – Culture of Parliament = Culture of trading: cruelty and competition
54:24 – Masculinity as pathology: traders, closeness, and competition
57:32 – What young working-class men are really up against
59:37 – Will he become an MP?
1:00:49 – Still trading: betting, winning, and proving he’s right
1:01:18 – Debrief
How did Congressman Moulton keep fighting the Iraq war when he thought it was a mistake? Is there anyone who can stop Trump, or is he an absolute monarch? Have substandard politicians used military service as a get-out-of-jail-free card?
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00:00 The scale and pace of the current energy transition
00:52 Break
02:06 Introduction to Emma Pinchbeck and the focus on energy policy
03:06 How David Attenborough inspired Emma's career shift to climate
04:59 Emma's role at the Climate Change Committee explained
06:32 What is a carbon budget and UK's unique approach to net zero
08:32 How political parties interact with carbon budgets
10:49 UK's role in global climate change efforts
12:56 Impact of international politics (e.g., Trump) on UK climate action
15:03 Climate risk, adaptation, and UK energy security
17:01 Where UK policy is falling short on net zero targets
19:05 The challenge of heat pumps and decarbonising home heating
22:12 Why the UK government isn't lowering electricity prices
25:03 How electricity markets work and why UK prices remain high
27:13 The impact of high energy costs on UK industry
30:35 What could the government do to lower industrial energy costs?
33:35 Ed Miliband's clean energy targets and their feasibility
36:34 What are the biggest practical risks to achieving net zero?
47:16 Emma's personal reflections on climate anxiety and hope
52:29 Why every country still needs to act despite being 'small emitters'
54:23 Debrief
Rory and Alastair are joined by Nikos Christodoulides, the President of Cyprus, to discuss all this and more.
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Alastair and Rory are joined by former French Prime Minister Gabriel Attal to discuss all this and more.
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Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport
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00:00 Political inspirations
09:11 Inspired by Reagan
15:50 The role of money in campaigns
22:28 HP
23:52 Trump's new administration
26:01 Ross Perot
31:51 Tariffs and the deficit
🎙️ This week’s episode of Leading is out now.
Jonathan Haidt joins Rory and Alastair to discuss all this and more.
00:00 Introduction
3:00 - Are Conservatives better at engaging in agreeable disagreement?
11:20 The rise of autocracy in the US
16:00 Politicians and moral judgement
23:00 Are politicians happy?
29:20 The Anxious Generation
40:00 Evidence of harmful social media
51:00 The future of society
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00:00 - Introduction and early leadership reflections
02:18 - How to navigate burnout in public life
04:53 - Experiences of harassment as a female leader
07:36 - Finding calm during crisis
11:15 - Deciding not to run again
15:02 - Legacy and regrets from time as Prime Minister
19:08 - The Christchurch attack and her response
22:36 - Leadership during COVID-19
27:11 - Criticism and misinformation during the pandemic
30:49 - The role of social media in political discourse
34:37 - Working with Prince William on online safety
38:03 - How politics is changing across democracies
41:28 - Is it harder for women in politics?
45:19 - What her daughter has taught her
48:01 - Life after politics and the future
50:55 - Final thoughts and advice for young leaders
1:01:59 Debrief
00:00 – Intro & recap of Part 1
00:18 – Coping with the 2015 election defeat
01:52 – Rebuilding purpose and role as MP
03:05 – Jeremy Corbyn’s rise
04:37 – Public reactions & family resilience
06:51 – Ed’s personality vs political image
08:08 – Press treatment & the Daily Mail
10:25 – Voters’ expectations of authenticity
11:16 – Challenges of message discipline in politics
12:40 – Relationship with Keir Starmer
13:23 – Climate role & right-wing attacks on net zero
18:04 – Tony Blair’s climate report & Ed’s response
21:12 – Reframing net zero as better living
23:59 – Risks of climate failure
26:47 – Passion for progressive causes
27:15 – Labour’s progressive record so far
29:59 – Big historical failures of centrism
31:08 – Capitalism critique & structural reform
33:05 – Biden, Trump & political empathy
34:14 – Labour’s strategy vs Farage
35:43 – Explaining your political mission to your kids
37:24 – Parenting & frontline politics
39:03 – Debrief
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00:00 – Opening; Ed’s current cabinet role and intro
04:36 – Ed’s parents and WWII refugee background
07:05 – Ralph Miliband’s Royal Navy service
08:02 – Daily Mail controversy: “The man who hated Britain”
09:03 – Political household and early influences
10:45 – Ralph Miliband’s Marxism and political philosophy
12:02 – New Labour vs. Ralph’s vision
13:55 – Relationship with aging parents, mother’s Alzheimer’s
16:18 – Relationship with brother David growing up
17:39 – First jobs: TV and working for Harriet Harman
18:51 – Apprenticeship with Gordon Brown
20:35 – Comparison between Gordon Brown and Tony Blair
22:22 – The “TBGBs” and internal Labour dynamics
24:25 – “Away day” retreat and Blair’s reaction
26:11 – Nickname: “The emissary from Planet F***”
27:04 – Harvard break and decision to run for Parliament
30:40 – Doncaster selection process
34:31 – Regional inequality and Labour’s missed opportunity
36:21 – Reform UK as a growing threat
37:42 – Decision to stand against David for leadership
40:04 – Emotional and political toll of running against brother
41:32 – Becoming Labour leader: optimism and anxiety
42:58 – 2015 general election campaign and expectations
44:47 – Ed’s view of Cameron and Osborne’s government
46:32 – On not taking politics personally
48:24 – Debate with Alastair over defending Labour’s record
50:13 – Regret over lack of boldness as leader
51:15 – Rise of Corbyn, Brexit, and populism
51:54 – Diagnosis of national discontent
52:25 – Did his policies match his analysis?
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00:00 – Revolut
01:10 – Intro to episode & Gaza conflict overview
02:02 – Introduction of Arab Barghouti and his father Marwan
03:31 – Marwan Barghouti’s early life and activism
06:38 – Oslo Accords, return to Palestine, Arab’s early life
08:03 – Arab’s personal background and career
09:20 – Relationship with his father and his character
10:54 – Torture and prison conditions Marwan endured
12:05 – Arab's mother and her activism
13:26 – Marwan’s political stance and two-state support
15:02 – Armed vs. peaceful resistance
16:48 – Prison education initiatives led by Marwan
19:17 – Freedom fighter vs. terrorist framing
21:03 – Views on October 7th attacks
24:48 – Divided Palestinian leadership and potential role for Marwan
28:13 – Marwan’s readiness and intellectual sharpness
31:09 – Arab nationalism vs. Islamism and Marwan’s unifying role
33:07 – Refugee return and negotiating complexities
36:26 – Trump, Gulf normalization, and Arab reaction
40:48 – Europe’s role and double standards in foreign policy
43:46 – Experience of giving interviews and Palestinian suffering
46:29 – Arab’s future and refusal to give up hope
47:53 - Debrief


