Thoughts on Things and Stuff
20/20 - Children of God
updated
This question of "epistemology" or theory of knowledge which can separate justified belief from opinion is central to many discussions about faith and belief.
Jacob Hansen and Dan Ellsworth are both faithful members that have wrestled with this issue and found a reconciliation that allows them to find footing in both faith and science.
In todays discussion we explore their epistemology and how it can sort truth claims coming from several different perspectives.
The US Committee on Energy and Commerce held hearings which included debate over a proposed amendment which would restrict graduate medical education funding to pediatric hospitals that performed certain gender affirmative care. The bill was sponsored by Texas rep Dan Crenshaw and a lively debate over the issue took place in the hearing.
SEGM member and pediatrician Dr. Julia Mason joins us for review and commentary on the discussion.
Sources:
- energycommerce.house.gov/events/health-subcommittee-legislative-hearing-examining-proposals-that-provide-access-to-care-for-patients-and-support-research-for-rare-diseases
- Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine: segm.org
- Bill text: crenshaw.house.gov/_cache/files/7/3/7394a6ec-0490-4e34-a160-cc485e4628c1/99A1262D6DC8161B24BCD8C7C684784C.chgme-reauth-02-xml-35-.pdf
Jeannette Cooper, parent, representative of International Partners for Ethical Care, proponent, statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
00:00 Jeannette Cooper
07:29 Question Rep Smith
10:08 Question Rep Humphrey
12:28 Question Rep John
13:58 Questions Rep Click
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/general_assembly_134/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-05-19-0900_1395/hb454.jeannette.cooper.proponent.pdf
Partners for Ethical Care: partnersforethicalcare.com
Featured:
John Dehlin: youtube.com/@mormonstories
Bill Reel: youtube.com/@MormonDiscussion
Radio Free Mormon: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdSYebjG7e6ftoildD1Sp5W
Rock Waterman: http://puremormonism.blogspot.com
New Name Noah: youtube.com/@NewNameNoah
Nemo: youtube.com/@NEMOTHEMORMON
Jonathan Streeter: youtube.com/@thoughtsonthingsandstuff974
Tanner Gilliland: youtube.com/c/ZelphOntheShelf
Anthony Miller: youtube.com/@lifeafterdeconstruction3897
John Larsen: youtube.com/@JohnLarsen1
Allan Mount: tiktok.com/@allanmount
Background: knowyourmeme.com/memes/balenciaga-ai-videos
Helena Kerschner, a detransitioned woman, proponent, statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
00:00 Helena Kerschner
10:12 Question Rep Edwards
12:46 Question Rep Smith
17:51 Question Rep Click
24:28 Question Rep Liston
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-05-19-0900_1395/hb454.helena.proponent.pdf
SB454 Session 2d - Dr. Andre Van Mol
00:00 OB SB454 Session 2d - Dr. Andre Van Mol
00:19 Dr. Andre Van Mol
07:18 Questions
07:22 Question Rep Liston
10:26 Question Rep Edwards
13:20 Question Rep Smith
18:01 Question Rep Click
22:42 Question Rep Humphrey
24:52 Question Rep Liston
30:33 Question Rep Click
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-05-19-0900_1395/hb454.dr.andre.van.mol.proponent.pdf
Maria Polaris, Cardinal Support Network, proponent, statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
00:00 OH SB 454 Session 2c - Maria Polaris
00:16 Maria Polaris
11:29 Questions
11:31 Question Rep John
13:55 Question Rep Smith
19:02 Question Rep Edwards
21:26 Question Rep Ginter
24:41 Question Rep Liston
27:21 Question Rep Click
40:49 Question Rep Smith
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-05-19-0900_1395/hb454.maria.polaris.ohio.gender.map.pdf
Dr. Daniel Weiss, Endocrinologist, proponent, statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
00:00 OH Bill 454 Session 2b - Dr. Daniel Weiss
00:14 Dr. Daniel Weiss
05:58 Questions
06:07 Question Rep Troy
08:54 Question Rep Liston
15:03 Question Rep Edwards
17:44 Question Rep Ginter
21:50 Question Rep Smith
22:24 Question Rep Liston
29:31 Question Rep Cutrona
30:55 Question Rep Click
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-05-19-0900_1395/hb454.daniel.weiss.proponent.pdf
Matt Sharp from the Alliance Defending Freedom, proponent, statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
00:00 Ohio SB 454 Session 2a - Matt Sharp
00:49 Matt Sharp Alliance Defending Freedom
05:38 Questions
05:45 Question Rep Liston
08:02 Question Rep Smith
11:34 Question Rep Denson
13:25 Question Rep Humphrey
16:16 Question Rep Edwards
19:29 Question Rep Liston
26:23 Question Rep Troy
27:58 Question Rep Smith
33:02 Question Rep Click
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-05-19-0900_1395/hb454.matt.sharp.proponent.testimony.pdf
In 1966, the Cultural Revolution exploded throughout China, as Mao's Red Guards persecuted suspected Rightists. Bian Zhongyun, the vice principal of a prestigious school in Beijing, was beaten to death by her own students, becoming one of the first victims of the revolutionary violence that would engulf the entire nation.
In THOUGH I AM GONE, Hu draws upon photographs taken by Bian's husband, Wang Jingyao, whose impulse to document his wife's death makes him a spiritual forebear to Hu's fearless work. Hu also incorporates vivid accounts from surviving witnesses and archival footage to depict the deadly madness of the era.
"One of the Cultural Revolution's most shocking and perplexing cases. We can only imagine how difficult it is for Hu to produce his films; only a committed person who takes what he does as a 'calling' can persist." —Dr. Weili Yu, Yale University, in the journal Asian Educational Media Service
"Though none of his works have been publicly shown in China, Hu Jie is one of his country's most noteworthy filmmakers." —The New York Review of Books
"A profoundly moving memorial to the victims of Mao's senseless political violence." —ReelTime Arts
"Packs a powerful punch in just over an hour...Director Hue Jie exploys a collage-like approach, interspersing archival footage and propaganda songs with present day interviews with Wang and other survivors of this tragic period of history." —Twitch Film
"Though I Am Gone challenges the authorities; the mainland may have sanctioned other films which broach the so-called '10 years of catastrophe' but Hu's film is still banned." —South China Morning Post
"Hu Jie's body of work puts a human face on some of the worst horrors of the Communist Party's recent history." —Public Radio International
Best Film, Chinese Documentary Film Exhibition
Jury Prize, Reel China Contemporary Documentary Festival
Melbourne International Film Festival
Hu Jie documentary.
IMDB: imdb.com/title/tt1666814
A.I. upscaled with english subtitles and narration.
This presentation was cited in the recent book "Time to Think" by Hannag Barnes which describes the evolution and eventual dissolution of the clinic in the UK.
She describes the service and makes some surprising admission including:
- The departure of the clinic from the selection and exclusion criteria of treatment guidelines based on the Dutch Protocol.
- The preliminary results of kids treated with puberty blockers which show no improvement on the various assessments given prior and after treatment.
- The implications of the almost 100% of patients that went on to further hormones and surgery after puberty blocker therapy - that it means the concept of blockers as a diagnostic tool or "time to think" are not accurate.
Index:
00:00 Introduction
00:39 Opening remarks
02:02 History of GIDS
02:59 Demographics
05:05 Equity of Access
07:44 Referrals by the Numbers
09:57 Why the Rapid Growth in Referrals?
12:19 Press Coverage
13:51 Teaching Gender in Schools
14:43 Referrals by Natal Gender
16:00 Associated Difficulties
17:09 Anxiety
17:54 Autism Spectrum
19:04 Self Harm
20:28 Service Protocol
22:00 Service Users Pathways
23:02 Possible Pathways
24:35 Informed Consent
25:56 Physical Interventions
26:56 Puberty Blockers
29:36 Ages at Puberty Blockade
30:59 Differences from the Dutch Experience
31:53 Questions to Ponder
33:28 Rapidly Changing Landscape
34:48 Awards
36:56 Transgender Provider Tries to grab mic from de Vries
37:12 Segregation
Source: https://av-media.vu.nl/Mediasite/Play/581e58c338984dafb455c72c56c0bfa31d?catalog=2d190891-4e3f-4936-a4fa-2e9766ae0d0d
Check out "Time to Think" by Hannah Barnes here: swiftpress.com/book/time-to-think
Erin Brewer, proponent, statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
00:00 Intro
07:23 Questions
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Support document: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-02-17-1100_1161/erin.brewer.proponent.testimony.pdf
She has since realized that these therapies were not right for her and that the health care providers who applied the affirmative care model failed in their ethical duties towards her and her family. Their lapses include not exploring underlying comorbidities, using false and coercive statements about the risk of suicide, discounting the concerns of her parents, not adequately assessing her competency to provide informed consent, misrepresenting the evidence base and efficacy of the therapy and failing to provide adequate follow-up care for her upon detransition.
In her testimony she recounts her journey through transition and detransition and calls for a new paradigm of care for gender dysphoric youth which includes guidelines for the management of detransition.
00:00 Intro
00:09 Dysphoria Begins
01:08 Therapy Experience
02:12 Assault and Complications
03:21 Decision for Mastectomy
04:05 Post-op Euphoria and Complications
06:24 Regret and Unanticipated Difficulties
07:27 Maturity and Detransition
08:54 Consequences of Uninformed Consent
10:05 Co-existing Issues
10:47 Complications of Puberty Blockers
11:36 Complications of Testosterone
12:23 Complications of Surgery
13:48 Prevention is only the first step
14:09 Beyond Affirmative Care
15:26 Detransition Care is Non-existent
16:31 New Standards of Care Needed
Source: thefloridachannel.org/videos/2-21-23-house-health-human-services-committee
Due to the low resolution of the source stream, this footage has been upscaled using A.I. facial reconstruction.
He outlined the group's opposition to the use of "the LGBT community" as a shield by radical activists to push for indoctrination and tacit sterilization of gender diverse youth.
He describes a hijacking of the LGBT community at large by trans activists who use coercive and threatening tactics to silence differences of opinion and demonize those who don't agree.
He points out that this situation has led to a backpedaling of the general acceptance of LGBT individuals in society, as this coercive situation has made it more preferable to be labeled anti-LGBT than to endorse the irreversible harm to gender diverse children.
His primary theme was to make the case that it is NOT bigotry or hatred or anti-LGBT to speak up against those who would indoctrinate and medicalize and thus sterilize gender diverse kids, many of whom are just discovering their sexuality.
The main presence of Gays Against Groomers can be found at: gaysagainstgroomers.com
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:12 LGBT Community as a Shield
00:42 Advances in LGBT acceptance threatened
01:19 Trans Movement is Culty
01:41 Minors Cannot Consent
02:03 Coercive Ideological Enforcement
02:27 Making Anti-LGBT label sound reasonable
02:57 Standing up for kids is not anti-LGBT
03:45 Follow the Money
04:30 Affirmation is trans-ing away the gay
05:09 Stop medicalizing gender nonconforming kids
Source: thefloridachannel.org/videos/2-21-23-house-health-human-services-committee
00:00 Stephen Levine Presentation
00:08 The 13 Untruths of Gender Ideology
01:10 Medical Misadventures
02:04 1 - A Trans Identity is immutable and unchanging
02:14 2 - A Trans Identity is rooted in biology
02:28 3- Gender Identity has no connection to sexual orientation
03:18 4 - No form of Gender Identity is a symptom of something else
03:38 5 - Gender dysphoria is a serious medical condition requiring intervention or not
04:01 6 - Associated emotional problems are due to discrimination
04:17 7 - There are no effective alternatives to affirmative care
04:40 8 - Exploratory psychotherapy is conversion therapy
04:59 9 - Affirmative Care improves mental health and social function in the long term
05:30 10 - Affirmative Care prevents suicide
06:24 11 - Teens know whats best for themselves
06:39 12 - Meeting diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria predicts good outcome
06:51 13 - Regret and detransition are rare
07:27 Conclusion
Source: thefloridachannel.org/videos/2-21-23-house-health-human-services-committee
00:00 Intro
00:00 Dr. Michael Laidlaw
00:35 Definitions
01:02 Diagnostic Dilemma
01:35 Basic Biology on Sex
02:06 Gender Affirmative Therapy Stages
02:22 Long Term Mortality in Sweden
02:56 Action of Puberty Blockers
03:37 Cross-Sex Hormones
04:27 Side Effects of Cross-Sex Hormones
05:56 Surgery - Mastectomy
06:31 Surgery on Minors
06:43 Surgery - Penile Inversion Complications after Puberty Blockers
07:18 Surgery - Phalloplasty
07:46 Endocrine Society Guidelines
08:42 WPATH Standards of Care
09:31 Exploratory Therapy
09:57 Affirmative Therapy is NOT a Standard of Care
Source: thefloridachannel.org/videos/2-21-23-house-health-human-services-committee
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:17 Background
01:04 Puberty Supression
02:01 Precocious Puberty vs Dysphoria
02:40 The Dutch Study
03:50 Replication Failures
04:41 What is known about Puberty Blockers?
04:57 Surgical Complications
05:27 Bone Effects
05:54 Sexual Dysfunction
06:25 Emotional and Cognitive Development
06:43 NHS Reversal
07:08 Recommendation
Source: thefloridachannel.org/videos/2-21-23-house-health-human-services-committee
This procedure is paired with hysterectomy and bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy - removal of the otherwise healthy uterus and ovaries.
The documentary is more frank and open about the surgical process than most depictions found in media, while it still does not include things such as scarring/retraction, keloids, neo-urethral strictures, fistula, recurrent UTI, cardiovascular complications or cancer risks of lifelong testosterone or any other of the many complications with this procedure or hormones.
See the excellent content by Exulansic for examples of surgical transition complications: rumble.com/c/Exulansic
Source: dailymotion.com/video/x3h43gv
The introductory statement and Q&A session for HB454, Save Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act, with sponsor - Rep Gary Click.
INDEX:
00:00 Start
00:31 Intro
01:12 Childhood Experience
02:27 Origin of Bill & Approach
03:32 Sources
03:51 Gender Dysphoria
04:35 Incuriosity and Disagreement
05:08 Science and Non-Science
05:56 Only One Answer Allowed
06:25 Concern from all sides
07:47 Cause vs Influence
08:12 Disorders of Sex Development is unrelated
08:50 Coexisting Conditions
09:16 Fictitious Disorder in Another
10:06 Sexual Abuse
12:34 Affirmation Therapy by Intimidation
14:10 Watchful Waiting
16:43 Dr. Littman and ROGD
18:04 Desistance Without Hormones or Surgery
18:33 Puberty Blockers Start a Therapy Cascade
18:59 Adolescents and Impulsivity
20:05 Complications of Hormones
23:12 Informed Consent
25:30 Questions
25:38 Question - Bill Supporters?
26:15 Question - What is Gender Affirming Care?
27:27 Gender Re-defined
28:11 Ideology not Science
29:02 Question - Do you agree with individualized care?
29:29 Individualized Care vs Affirmation Only
30:33 Question - Have you talked to the clinics?
32:29 Question - Is This Solving a Nonexistant Problem?
34:02 Different Parts of Transition
35:48 Question - Difference Between Hormones and Surgery?
36:40 Detransitoner Kira Bell
38:27 Question - Hospital Associations
39:59 Question - Religious Motivations?
41:56 Question - Kids and Informed Consent
42:41 Question - Qualifications?
43:52 Question - Does This Affect Child Custody Cases?
45:47 Queestion - Taking Sides & Criminalizing
48:29 Question - Any Professional Associations agree?
50:36 Question - Mainstream Medical Opinion?
54:14 Question - School Counsellors vs Parents
Sources:
- Bill text as introduced: legislature.ohio.gov/download?key=19106&format=pdf
- Bill Tracking Page: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
- Source Video Archive: ohiochannel.org/video/ohio-house-families-aging-and-human-services-committee-2-17-2022
- Submitted Documentation: search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/134th_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_families_aging_1/testimony/cmte_h_families_aging_1_2022-02-17-1100_1161/hb.454.sponsor.testimony.pdf
Commentary on this presentation is available here:
Part 1 - youtu.be/t6ykFsfKxDw
Part 2 - youtu.be/FN-xQhhwJtQ
The act deals with limiting medical and surgical transition of minors in the state of Ohio. The bill did not make it out of committee, however the discussions by various witnesses and committee members were an excellent review of all sides of the issue.
In this episode, parent and witness to the proceedings, Jeannette Cooper, joins us to review the introductory statement and Q&A Session from 17 Feb, 2022.
Official HB-454 Documents and sourcefiles: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
00:50 Humphries - Blockers vs Surgery
03:11 Discussion
14:06 Question Rep Caruthers - Doctors or Hospitals Consulted?
15:30 Discussion
33:41 Question rep Gunther - Religious Motivations?
35:34 Discussion
40:32 Followup Question - Informed Consent
41:13 Discussion
45:35 Question Rep Denson - Medical Expertise
46:38 Discussion
58:49 Question - Child Custody Issues?
01:00:35 Discussion
01:10:16 Question - Taking Sides and Criminalizing
01:12:34 Discussion
01:20:56 Question Rep - Any supporting Professional Organizations?
01:25:51 Discussion
01:30:13 Black Hole of Accountability
01:32:38 Florida Hearing Referral
01:49:33 Question Rep Liston - AAP vs ACP
01:50:20 Discussion
02:02:02 Flawed foundation of the AAP Policy Statement
02:24:21 Cascade Iatrogenesis
02:33:57 Liston - Activist vs Professional Groups
02:36:30 Discussion
02:38:26 Liston - Schools and Social Transition
02:41:39 Discussion
02:49:44 Liston - Schools Hiding Trans Status from Parents
02:50:25 Discussion
02:55:47 Followup Click - Possible History of Abuse
02:55:58 Discussion
02:56:32 Followup Click - Schools Overriding Parental Judgement
02:57:16 Conclusion
There are issues.
The document is not a standard of care or guideline - it contains none of the systematic review of evidence or evidence grading required by such a document and includes a disclaimer that it should not be considered a standard of care.
The statement cites standards of care previously published by WPATH and the Endocrine Society - but those standards are based on low quality evidence.
The document was authored by a single physician in his first year out of residency and was not subject to public review, comment or debate prior to being published as an official policy statement.
The statement dismissed the long standing watchful waiting approach to these patients as outdated and fringe and equates it with "conversion therapy" for sexual orientation, while citing references that directly contradict those conclusions.
The policy statement should be eligible for revision or retirement in 2023. Watch this video and see what you think - should it be revised?
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Rafferty and the AAP Statement
00:12 Origin of the Policy Statement
02:02 Authorship of the statement
03:27 Standard of Care
03:57 Gender Affirming Model of Care
04:27 Where do the Protocols Come From?
04:43 How is Evidence Graded?
06:51 WPATH & GRADE
08:03 Endocrine Society & GRADE
10:43 Important Acknowledgements
11:16 AAP Statement
11:35 Watchful Waiting vs Conversion Therapy
12:30 Misleading Citations
12:54 #1 Irrelevant Citation
13:54 #2 Contradictory & Misleading
15:06 #3 Contradictory & Misleading
16:31 #4 Contradictory & Misleading
17:40 #5 Contradictory & Misleading
18:56 #6 Opinion
19:52 Conclusion
REFERENCES:
AAP Statement: publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/142/4/e20182162/37381/Ensuring-Comprehensive-Care-and-Support-for
Jason Rafferty on Story in the Public Square
youtube.com/watch?v=LVEq45RtMxA
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The act deals with limiting medical and surgical transition of minors in the state of Ohio. The bill did not make it out of committee, however the discussions by various witnesses and committee members were an excellent review of all sides of the issue.
In this first episode, parent and witness to the proceedings, Jeannette Cooper, joins us to review the introductory statement and Q&A Session from 17 Feb, 2022.
Official HB-454 Documents and sourcefiles: legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/134/hb454
INDEX:
00:00 Start
00:31 Introduction
02:45 Jeannette Cooper
08:03 The legislative process
09:37 Click Clip 1
12:08 Special Interest Groups
15:36 Children age and consent
19:42 Competing Ideologies
21:57 Childhood Development and influence
23:01 Stereotypes define or expand gender
25:47 Dynamic Human Experience
27:22 Child with Dysphoria vs Trans-kid
28:16 What is Governments Role
32:01 Medicine has messed up before
38:38 Click Clip 2
40:09 Click did his homework
42:47 Click understood the controversial nature
43:45 This is not a partisan issue
49:23 Click Clip 4
53:03 Weak Evidence and Faulty Assumptions
56:04 Cascade Iatrogenesis
57:40 Watchful Waiting is now impossible
59:37 LGBT community is mixed on this issue
01:03:48 On the term - Transgender
01:06:39 Identity Foreclosure
01:09:49 Click Clip 4
01:10:47 Intersex
01:12:46 Click - comorbidities
01:16:52 Comorbidities
01:19:54 Affirmation trumps all other therapies
01:21:32 Integration vs rumination
01:24:55 Victimhood
01:27:39 Sexual Abuse
01:28:54 Conversion therapy
01:41:53 Click - Affirmation is coercive
01:43:16 Suicidality and Consent
01:51:56 Watchful waiting and Exploratory Therapy
01:53:16 Manipulation in retrospect
01:54:32 Urgency of Suicide
01:56:21 Social Media effects
01:58:09 Social Cultural Context
01:59:57 Click - Watchful Waiting and the Experts
02:04:30 Heterodox Experts
02:09:09 Gender Dysphoria vs Disorder
02:14:59 Teens and competency
02:22:47 Complexities of Informed Consent
02:28:59 Consent in psychological conditions
02:33:47 Q&A intro
02:34:38 Rep Liston Question
02:37:44 Discussion
02:45:24 Rep Liston Followup
02:46:51 Discussion
02:53:57 Rep Liston Followup #2
02:55:41 Discussion
02:58:54 Rep Humphries Question
03:02:05 Discussion
Stay Tuned for Part 2!
He explains that since there are both male-to-female and female-to-male transitions taking place, it is conceivable to create a tissue bank so that surgically removed penises, testicles, ovaries and uteruses from one set of patients could be surgically grafted onto the other set of patients.
What medical ethical considerations may apply to such a proposal? When should medical ethics curtail the imagination of doctors who see opportunities for new techniques and procedures?
See Dr. Djordjevic's US based practice profile here:
profiles.mountsinai.org/miroslav-l-djordjevic
Read more about this proposal here: medanthroquarterly.org/critical-care/2021/06/trans-body-is-a-valuable-resource
See the full Dutch Documentary about Gender Dysphoria and emerging issues in Trans healthcare here: youtube.com/watch?v=6LRPiEJCU5g
The kids are real. Their distress is real. Should nothing be done? The term "watchful waiting" is often used, but that sounds like doing nothing. Is that really all we can or should offer these kids?
Watchful waiting doesn't mean doing nothing for kids who are in distress. It's an older term for a process that's now more commonly called "Exploratory Therapy."
It isn't that simple though - the idea that affirmation may not be the right choice for every child and that there is a role for understanding a dysphoric child's history and underlying psychological issues is itself controversial. Some critics equate it to the unethical practice of gay conversion therapy. But is that true? What exactly is exploratory therapy for gender dysphoria kids?
This question was directly addressed in a January, 2023 livestream by mental health professionals from the Gender Exploratory Therapy Association, hosted by the Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism in Medicine.
This video is an excerpt from that presentation.
PRESENTERS:
*Roberto D’Angelo* is a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst in private practice in Byron Bay, Australia. He is a Fellow of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists. He is a training and supervising analyst at the Institute of Contemporary Psychoanalysis, Los Angeles, and President of the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine. He has authored publications about psychotherapeutic treatment of gender dysphoria and has critiqued the gender affirming approach. He works with adolescents and adults with gender distress.
*Sasha Ayad* is a Licensed Professional Counselor who works in private practice, and has treated adolescents for over 10 years. Her work focuses on teens and young adults struggling with issues of gender dysphoria and gender identity. Sasha is a founding board member of the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine and of the International Association of Therapists for Desisters and Detransitioners. Along with Stella O’Malley, she hosts the ‘Gender: A Wider Lens’ Podcast. Sasha holds a B.S. in Psychology and an M.Ed. in Counseling Psychology.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:29 Exploratory Therapy - Background
03:42 Open to a Range of Outcomes
05:25 Dysphoria Emerges in a Context
07:30 Identity is Developmentally Informed
09:06 Comorbid Conditions
11:15 Sexual Development
12:59 Occurs over time
15:51 Evidence Based Approach to Suicidality
17:07 Informed Consent
17:59 Not Conversion Therapy
19:50 Trans Identity not universality adaptive
21:26 Affirming interventions not universally helpful
23:14 Does not obfuscate biological facts
25:01 Learn More
REFERENCES:
Original Full Presentation: youtube.com/watch?v=SbrUfxaw7QI
Gender Exploratory Therapy Association: genderexploratory.com
Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism in Medicine: fairforall.org/fair-in-medicine
Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine: segm.org
Genspect: genspect.org
In many cases, these regretters originally presented with multiple complex underlying psychological issues - however the affirmation-only model of treating these individuals leads to their gender issues becoming the priority, rather than first addressing such co-morbid conditions as depression, PTSD, anxiety or body dysmorphic disorder among other considerations.
Stories of regret and detransition should provide important information to doctors and institutions about the ethics of these interventions and the criteria for recommending patients to surgery without first addressing underlying issues. This type of reflection and revision of clinical criteria, protocols and policies does not appear to be happening, however, possibly due to strong pressures made by activist forces both inside and outside of the medical profession.
In 2018 a Dutch documentary aired which looked into one such story of regret and examined the medical institutions and clinical culture which led to the tragic outcome for this individual. Also examined are the influences of social media and the phenomena of regretters who disappear from the view of clinics and the public due to the irreversible harm they experienced as well as ethical considerations in selecting patients for surgery and even the ethics of allowing euthanasia for patients harmed by this therapeutic pathway.
The documentary is presented here with english voiceover based on the original captions.
Originally aired in December 2018
Original Source: https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/transgender-met-spijt
The Trans Train (Part 2): Other Issues, Talk Therapy and Suicidality - youtu.be/diNeyQKQg8M
The Trans Train (Part 3): Regret, Reassessment & Policy Reversal - youtu.be/R7DjuXdW_mo
*The Trans Train (Part 4): Puberty Blockers, Complications and Consent*
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In part 4 of the Swedish Trans Train Documentary Series, the story of Leo is told. Leo was a biologically female child who experienced gender dysphoria and was socially transitioned to a boy. Leo was started on Puberty Blockers and maintained on it for years without adequate monitoring of the known complication of bone density loss and pathologic fractures.
The episode explores how gender clinics may fail to inform parents and patients of the risks of hormonal intervention and how the system is not adequately tracking complications and adjusting policies when complications arise - with cases and complications falling into the gaps between the psychology, endocrinology and surgical clinics and the healthcare system more broadly.
See the original source here: https://www.svtplay.se/video/33313874/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-transbarnen
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In May of 2021 Sweden announced a change of their policy regarding the medical and surgical transition of children. The change came in the wake of several bombshell documentaries which explored the issue of medicalization of children experiencing gender dysphoria in Sweden and Europe.
The controversial documentary series examined the evidence base of the protocols, the ethics of treating children who cannot consent and the degree of oversight and accountability that clinics held for their patients.
The english speaking world isn't aware of much of what the documentaries uncovered because of the language barrier, as the films are mostly in Swedish. English captions have been made available and for the first time the films are presented here with english voiceover to make them more accessible.
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This transition protocol for children based on "The Dutch Study" had previously been used by clinics in Sweden since around 2014 to start children on puberty blockers leading to cross-sex hormones and surgery.
The "Dutch Study" was originally designed with strict criteria for inclusion which were not being applied to the exploding population of mostly young women who were starting to seek treatment for dysphoria. As such, most patients being put on this "trans train" of affirmation and medicalization were a different population group than those studied in the original Dutch protocol.
As a result, the issues of regret and detransition began to be come more common as people for whom the Dutch Protocol was not designed for started to see that medical and surgical transition did not solve their issues.
When these stories started to leak out, the Swedish investigative journalists at "Mission: Investigate" started talking with regretters and detransitioners and approached the hospitals and clinics who were treating young people at the time to figure out what was going on. Over the next several years subsequent episodes of Mission: Investigate explored other aspects of the modern discourse about the medical treatment of gender dysphoria. The revelations of this series were eventually led to the national health system in Sweden reviewing their protocols and issuing an official policy halting the implementation of the Dutch protocol in treating children with gender dysphoria.
Part 2 of the Trans Train documentary series covers claims of suicidal attempts among trans teens waiting for surgery, comorbid psycological issues and the potential for conversational therapy to add patient insight which affects their perception of gender identity.
These issues are confronted against the backdrop of new legislation proposed to reduce barriers for kids as young as 15 to have breast removal surgery without parental consent.
Check out the full documentary here: youtu.be/diNeyQKQg8M
The Trans Train (Part 2): Other Issues, Talk Therapy and Suicidality - youtu.be/diNeyQKQg8M
*The Trans Train (Part 3): Regret, Reassessment & Policy Reversal*
The Trans Train (Part 4): Puberty Blockers, Complications and Consent - youtu.be/Ow-XwdauYr0
In part 3 there is a brief update about Alexsa Lundberg, a famous transwoman in Sweden who was profiled in the second Trans Train episode. She makes the difficult disclosure that if she had it to do all over again, in light of the new evidence about risks and outcomes, she would likely not have chosen to undergo sex reassignment surgery and would have, instead, chosen to live life as a feminine gay man.
On the political front, the government order a new review of the evidence basis for transition surgery of minor after the findings of the first two Trans Train episodes. The result is that the health ministry now opposes sex reassignment surgery for minors as there is insufficient evidence to justify endorsing the intervention.
There remain questions about puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and the public discourse about detransitioners and regretters continues to evolve.
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In May of 2021 Sweden announced a change of their policy regarding the medical and surgical transition of children. The change came in the wake of several bombshell documentaries which explored the issue of medicalization of children experiencing gender dysphoria in Sweden and Europe.
The controversial documentary series examined the evidence base of the protocols, the ethics of treating children who cannot consent and the degree of oversight and accountability that clinics held for their patients.
The english speaking world isn't aware of much of what the documentaries uncovered because of the language barrier, as the films are mostly in Swedish. English captions have been made available and for the first time the films are presented here with english voiceover to make them more accessible.
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This transition protocol for children based on "The Dutch Study" had previously been used by clinics in Sweden since around 2014 to start children on puberty blockers leading to cross-sex hormones and surgery.
The "Dutch Study" was originally designed with strict criteria for inclusion which were not being applied to the exploding population of mostly young women who were starting to seek treatment for dysphoria. As such, most patients being put on this "trans train" of affirmation and medicalization were a different population group than those studied in the original Dutch protocol.
As a result, the issues of regret and detransition began to be come more common as people for whom the Dutch Protocol was not designed for started to see that medical and surgical transition did not solve their issues.
When these stories started to leak out, the Swedish investigative journalists at "Mission: Investigate" started talking with regretters and detransitioners and approached the hospitals and clinics who were treating young people at the time to figure out what was going on.
Over the next several years subsequent episodes of Mission: Investigate explored other aspects of the modern discourse about the medical treatment of gender dysphoria. The revelations of this series were eventually led to the national health system in Sweden reviewing their protocols and issuing an official policy halting the implementation of the Dutch protocol in treating children with gender dysphoria.
*The Trans Train (Part 2): Other Issues, Talk Therapy and Suicidality*
The Trans Train (Part 3): Regret, Reassessment & Policy Reversal - youtu.be/R7DjuXdW_mo
The Trans Train (Part 4): Puberty Blockers, Complications and Consent - youtu.be/Ow-XwdauYr0
Part 2 of the Trans Train documentary series covers claims of suicidal attempts among trans teens waiting for surgery, comorbid psycological issues and the potential for conversational therapy to add patient insight which affects their perception of gender identity.
These issues are confronted against the backdrop of new legislation proposed to reduce barriers for kids as young as 15 to have breast removal surgery without parental consent.
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In May of 2021 Sweden announced a change of their policy regarding the medical and surgical transition of children. The change came in the wake of several bombshell documentaries which explored the issue of medicalization of children experiencing gender dysphoria in Sweden and Europe.
The controversial documentary series examined the evidence base of the protocols, the ethics of treating children who cannot consent and the degree of oversight and accountability that clinics held for their patients.
The english speaking world isn't aware of much of what the documentaries uncovered because of the language barrier, as the films are mostly in Swedish. English captions have been made available and for the first time the films are presented here with english voiceover to make them more accessible.
The Trans Train Part 2 - Aired 09/10/2019
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This transition protocol for children based on "The Dutch Study" had previously been used by clinics in Sweden since around 2014 to start children on puberty blockers leading to cross-sex hormones and surgery.
The "Dutch Study" was originally designed with strict criteria for inclusion which were not being applied to the exploding population of mostly young women who were starting to seek treatment for dysphoria. As such, most patients being put on this "trans train" of affirmation and medicalization were a different population group than those studied in the original Dutch protocol.
As a result, the issues of regret and detransition began to be come more common as people for whom the Dutch Protocol was not designed for started to see that medical and surgical transition did not solve their issues.
When these stories started to leak out, the Swedish investigative journalists at "Mission: Investigate" started talking with regretters and detransitioners and approached the hospitals and clinics who were treating young people at the time to figure out what was going on.
Over the next several years subsequent episodes of Mission: Investigate explored other aspects of the modern discourse about the medical treatment of gender dysphoria. The revelations of this series were eventually led to the national health system in Sweden reviewing their protocols and issuing an official policy halting the implementation of the Dutch protocol in treating children with gender dysphoria.
This documentary covers the evidence base, ethics and responsibility of the medical profession in treating children with gender dysphoria with hormones and surgery - particularly in light of the reality of transition regretters and detransitioners.
Check out the full documentary here: youtu.be/MVEZ7gELcgY
call in or comment to share your thoughts.
The Trans Train (Part 2): Other Issues, Talk Therapy and Suicidality - youtu.be/diNeyQKQg8M
The Trans Train (Part 3): Regret, Reassessment & Policy Reversal - youtu.be/R7DjuXdW_mo
The Trans Train (Part 4): Puberty Blockers, Complications and Consent - youtu.be/Ow-XwdauYr0
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The Trans Train Part 1- Aired 03/04/2019
Original Source: https://www.svtplay.se/video/22035454/uppdrag-granskning/the-trans-train
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In May of 2021 Sweden announced a change of their policy regarding the medical and surgical transition of children. The change came in the wake of several bombshell documentaries which explored the issue of medicalization of children experiencing gender dysphoria in Sweden and Europe.
The controversial documentary series examined the evidence base of the protocols, the ethics of treating children who cannot consent and the degree of oversight and accountability that clinics held for their patients.
The english speaking world isn't aware of much of what the documentaries uncovered because of the language barrier, as the films are mostly in Swedish. English captions have been made available and for the first time the films are presented here with english voiceover to make them more accessible.
_______________________________________
This transition protocol for children based on "The Dutch Study" had previously been used by clinics in Sweden since around 2014 to start children on puberty blockers leading to cross-sex hormones and surgery.
The "Dutch Study" was originally designed with strict criteria for inclusion which were not being applied to the exploding population of mostly young women who were starting to seek treatment for dysphoria. As such, most patients being put on this "trans train" of affirmation and medicalization were a different population group than those studied in the original Dutch protocol.
As a result, the issues of regret and detransition began to be come more common as people for whom the Dutch Protocol was not designed for started to see that medical and surgical transition did not solve their issues.
When these stories started to leak out, the Swedish investigative journalists at "Mission: Investigate" started talking with regretters and detransitioners and approached the hospitals and clinics who were treating young people at the time to figure out what was going on. Over the next several years subsequent episodes of Mission: Investigate explored other aspects of the modern discourse about the medical treatment of gender dysphoria. The revelations of this series were eventually led to the national health system in Sweden reviewing their protocols and issuing an official policy halting the implementation of the Dutch protocol in treating children with gender dysphoria.
held hearings on House Bill 1570 (HB 1570), also known as the Save Adolescents From Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
02:30 - Rep. Lundstrum
04:32 - Charles Lewis, M.D. (psychiatrist)
09:53 - Roger Hiatt Jr, M.D. (psychiatrist)
13:11 - Q&A Session
17:24 - Public Comment
18:43 - Lance LeVar
21:02 - Cash Ashley
23:08 - Chris Attig
25:30 - Courtney Frierson
28:10 - Dr. Natalie Burr (pediatrician)
33:54 - Jennifer Steel
36:48 - Joanna Brandt
39:26 - Dr. Kathryn Stambough (OB/GYN)
42:05 - Kirsten Sowell
46:06 - Rev. Genevieve Bergman
49:25 - Stacy O'Brien
51:54 - Willow Breshears
54:40 - MD Hunter
56:54 - Elizabeth Barger
59:17 - Dr. Michele Hutchinson (peds endocrinologist)
01:04:09 - Justin Sarlo
01:06:08 - Rep. Lundstrum Closing Comments
01:07:09 - Committee Vote
Original source: sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00284/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20210322/-1/21395?viewMode=1
Check out the initial House Committee hearing on this bill here: youtu.be/GFaA0OblRaE
held hearings on House Bill 1570 (HB 1570), also known as the Save Adolescents From Experimentation (SAFE) Act.
Chapters:
00:00 - HB 1570 Introduced
01:00 - Representative Robin Lundstrum
02:24 - Joseph Backholm - Family Research Council
07:43 - Kendall Wagner M.D.
17:53 - Billy Burleigh (detransitioner)
21:50 - J. Grady Crosland, M.D.
25:53 - Q&A Session
38:38 - Public Comments
41:14 - Brandi Evans (Parent of trans child)
43:15 - Courtney Frierson (LCSW)
46:45 - Gary Wheeler M.D. (Arkansas Chapter of AAP)
50:25 - Kirsten Sowell (LCSW)
52:52 - Lance LeVar
55:15 - MD Hunter (Trans Ally)
57:46 - Michele Hutchison, MD, PhD (Peds Endocrinologist)
01:03:40 - Rumba Yambu (intransitive.org)
01:06:25 - Savannah Colson
01:08:56 - Willow Breshears
01:11:24 - Wolfe Espinosa Villegas
01:13:47 - Holly Dickson (ACLU)
01:15:32 - Chris Attig (Parent)
01:19:17 - Carmen Angelica
01:21:40 - Xejeia Freelon (luciesplace.org)
01:24:42 - Representative Lundstrum Closing Statement
01:27:40 - Committee Discussion
01:30:07 - Committee Vote
Original Source: http://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00284/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20210309/-1/21303?viewMode=1
Handouts: arkleg.state.ar.us/Calendars/Attachments?id=48052830
Checkout the later Senate Committee hearing on this bill here: youtu.be/p6YyZzWhWqg
In this segment, Dr Patrick Hunter, pediatric urologist and medical ethicist, gives his comments on medical and surgical interventions on minors with gender dysphoria.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/11-4-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-meeting
During the meeting a period for public comment was held. Several individuals spoke out in favor of the actions of the board to limit the practice of medical and surgical interventions in minors with gender dysphoria. This is a compilation of all of the statements in favor of the actions of the board.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/11-4-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-meeting
During the meeting a period for public comment was held. Several individuals spoke out against the actions of the board to limit the practice of medical and surgical interventions in minors with gender dysphoria. This is a compilation of all of the statements against the actions of the board.
Chapters:
00:00 - Nathan Bruemmer
03:17 - State Rep. Anna Eskamani
06:01 - Amy Rachel
09:33 - Cecil Stone
12:45 - Megan Halloran
14:31 - Sarah Parker
17:38 - Kimberly Cox
21:00 - Kate Danehy-Samitz
24:09 - Shannon Keever
27:33 - Seneca Bristol
Many of the speakers were affiliated with the Women's Voices of Southwest Florida group. Connect with them on Facebook here: facebook.com/wvswfl
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/11-4-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-meeting
In this segment, Dr David Diamond, Chair of the Florida Board of Medicine, provides a summary of the dialogue, procedures and observations involved in the decision up to the point of their final meeting to determine the language of the rule on medical and surgical interventions on minors with gender dysphoria.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:05 - Original Notice
00:40 - Aug 5 Meeting
01:10 - 3 Take Home Points
02:54 - Invited Experts
04:00 - Declined Invitations
04:30 - Florida Physicians Afraid to Speak
05:14 - Oct 28 Meeting Public Comments
06:02 - Proposal
07:40 - Chair Support Statement
10:00 - Reporting Mandate Limitations
11:13 - Agenda Items
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/11-4-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-meeting
In this segment, Patti Sullivan, Florida State Coordinator for ParentalRights.org gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment, Dr. Kevin Astle, a Florida licensed pharmacist, gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment, Bob Framingham, a concerned parent of a trans young adult, gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment, Jennifer Engels, a Florida licensed mental health counsellor gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment, January Littlejon, a mental health professional and concerned parent of a trans child gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment, Jude Speegle, a transgender parent gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment, Robert Roper reads the account of a trans patient with comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment Hope McClay, a concerned parent of a trans child, gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop
In this segment Ada Lopez, a concerned parent of a trans child, gives comments on the issue.
See the full meeting here: thefloridachannel.org/videos/10-28-22-florida-boards-of-medicine-and-osteopathic-medicine-joint-rules-legislative-committee-rule-workshop