UnderpromotedEric Rosen is a professional chess streamer and content creator. He grew up in the state of Illinois and currently lives in St. Louis, Missouri. He is married to fellow international master and chess professional Irene Sukandar.
This interview was recorded on Mar 18, 2026.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro; Eric "unretiring" from classical chess; what Eric enjoys most about classical 6:35 - Eric is not going for the GM title 11:02 - Discovering the love of chess through traps & gambits 13:53 - Does "streaming" chess impact Eric's classical chess? 16:17 - Ad break: Eric enjoys Underpromoted! 17:21 - Watching the next generation grow up: reflections on personal career development 22:52 - What is streaming like, inside Eric's mind? 27:00 - Landmark moments for Eric as a content creator 29:30 - Future project ideas, opening course, books 37:43 - Throwback to a chess documentary ft. high schooler Eric 39:41 - How do you measure success in streaming? What brings satisfaction? 45:28 - Married life 49:26 - Reflections on the support that Eric's parents provided 51:08 - Eric's upcoming schedule; thanks & goodbye!
Eric Rosen: classical chess, streaming, looking back | UP #19Underpromoted2026-04-06 | Eric Rosen is a professional chess streamer and content creator. He grew up in the state of Illinois and currently lives in St. Louis, Missouri. He is married to fellow international master and chess professional Irene Sukandar.
This interview was recorded on Mar 18, 2026.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro; Eric "unretiring" from classical chess; what Eric enjoys most about classical 6:35 - Eric is not going for the GM title 11:02 - Discovering the love of chess through traps & gambits 13:53 - Does "streaming" chess impact Eric's classical chess? 16:17 - Ad break: Eric enjoys Underpromoted! 17:21 - Watching the next generation grow up: reflections on personal career development 22:52 - What is streaming like, inside Eric's mind? 27:00 - Landmark moments for Eric as a content creator 29:30 - Future project ideas, opening course, books 37:43 - Throwback to a chess documentary ft. high schooler Eric 39:41 - How do you measure success in streaming? What brings satisfaction? 45:28 - Married life 49:26 - Reflections on the support that Eric's parents provided 51:08 - Eric's upcoming schedule; thanks & goodbye!
lichess.org/editor/1k2N2b/2p4P/2p2p2/2P2P2/8/5K2/8/8_w_-_-_0_1?color=whiteZhu Jiner: chess books, university, Candidates | UP #22Underpromoted2026-05-08 | Zhu Jiner is currently ranked the #4 woman in the world (May 2026). She was born in Zhejiang, China, and started learning chess at age 4. She earned the Grandmaster title in 2023. In 2025, she tied for 1st in each of the three Women's Grand Prix legs she played in, winning the overall event. Jiner competed in her first Women's Candidates in 2026, winning bronze. She graduated from Shanghai University of Finance and Economics in 2025.
This interview was recorded on Apr 24, 2026.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 0:36 - How Jiner started learning chess; joining the province team, then national team 5:24 - Training against stronger opponents; reaching the top of women's chess; playing opens vs women's events 8:58 - Training on her own; reading chess books; using engines Mentioned: Dvoretsky's "Endgame Manual", Gelfand's "Decision Making" series 13:31 - Facing discouragements and plateaus; handling defeat 16:05 - Attending university; enjoying academic studies; balancing chess and school 21:15 - Developing a sense of responsibility as a pro player 24:31 - Reviewing the 2026 Candidates: stories, challenges, takeaways 30:28 - Looking ahead to TePe Sigemann; missing the 2025 Grand Swiss 32:35 - Personal goals; traveling and competing abroad; walking 35:54 - Wrapping up; thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaPulling up the turnip | Study #4Underpromoted2026-05-07 | White to play and win. By S. Gruber, 1932.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro; how Teodora started chess; her parents' support for her 7:09 - When did she start working seriously on chess? Getting a coach; teenage years 9:41 - Going through school; deciding about university; making career decisions 13:43 - Being a pro player; struggling with motivation; other interests in life 21:39 - Serbia's sports culture; lack of support for chess Mentioned: youtu.be/wZLGtektR8E 26:08 - Life outside of chess; the peculiarities of chess; 30:56 - Teodora's peaceful temperament and chess style 35:39 - What Teodora enjoys and is grateful to chess for 41:10 - Girls in chess; pros and cons of open tournaments 45:52 - Thinking about coaching in the future 48:53 - Her experience doing commentary 55:00 - Visiting New York City with her dad in 2024 59:49 - Interests and hobbies 1:03:47 - Why do chess players like walking so much? 1:05:26 - Teodora's cat; upcoming events and future outlook; thanks and goodbye!My dear Watson | Study #1Underpromoted2026-04-27 | White to play and win. By A. P. Gulyaev, 1940.
Board editor: lichess.org/editor/4KBkr/7p/6PP/4P3/8/3P1p2/8/8_w_-_-_0_1?color=whiteDinara Wagner: childhood, life decisions, dating, immigrating | UP #20Underpromoted2026-04-09 | Dinara Wagner is the top-ranked woman player in Germany and #33 in the world (Apr 2026). Growing up in Kalmykia, she learned to play chess from her grandfather. In 2023, she earned the international master title. Most recently, she qualified for the FIDE/Freestyle Women's World Championship via the Grenke Freestyle Open. Alongside her chess career, she studies economics; she completed her undergraduate at HSE University in Moscow and is currently enrolled as a master's student at Heidelberg University. Dinara now lives in Germany and plays for the German Chess Federation. She is married to Dennis Wagner.
This interview was recorded on Mar 5, 2026.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro; growing up; her first Scholar's Mate 3:37 - Other childhood interests: gymnastics, drawing, music 5:33 - How Dinara's dad convinced her not to quit chess; family support 9:07 - Using her prize money to buy gifts for family 10:27 - How does a 10-year-old train in chess? 13:00 - Being a torchbearer for the Sochi Olympics youtu.be/UbCQcBwGFac?si=MAN_eEwXL2_fjqYC&t=109 15:55 - Choosing to attend university; pressures of going pro 20:39 - Stigma for professional chess players; balancing chess & education 26:32 - Meeting Dennis; dating; Covid & long distance 29:37 - Deciding to move to Germany; getting married young 34:02 - Immigrating; learning German; missing home foods 39:46 - Current chess career; going pro; changing federations 44:31 - Motivation and discipline in training 46:56 - What it's like to receive sponsorship 49:31 - Being married to a chess player; favorite TV shows, games; thanks & goodbye!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaWei Yi reviews Game 3 | Candidates 2026Underpromoted2026-04-02 | This was streamed on Mar. 31, 2026, hosted by CHESS贝蕾 and Chess Discovery.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Game 2 analysis; opening choice 4:48 - Black's choices after 14. Qb5+ 8:09 - Wei Yi's calculations, engine lines, after 16. g4 11:47 - The losing blunder and possible alternatives 16:56 - Analysis concludes; Wei Yi answers questions from fans 19:31 - Does chess have doping tests? 23:30 - Can Grandmasters calculate up to 20, 30 moves? 25:08 - What does Wei Yi do on his rest days? 26:27 - When your opponent is low on time, is it better to go for speed or accuracy? 29:10 - Questions about Wei Yi's routine in Cyprus, the post-game interviews, getting over defeats 33:42 - Could Carlsen drawn an engine in a classical game? 34:47 - How many blindfold games can Wei Yi play simultaneously? 35:57 - Wrapping up: thanks & goodbye
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaWei Yi reviews Game 2 | Candidates 2026Underpromoted2026-04-01 | This was streamed on Mar. 30, 2026, hosted by CHESS贝蕾 and Chess Discovery.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Game 2 analysis; opening choice 4:31 - Black gets the initiative after 10. O-O?! 9:46 - Critical moment 11:05 - How does White equalize after 17... Raf7? 20:28 - Simplifying the position; endgame considerations 23:00 - Entering the endgame 24:49 - What was Wei Yi analyzing with Pragg after the game? 27:11 - Game strategies and time trouble 29:10 - Is Wei Yi satisfied with today's game? 31:12 - Questions about Candidates tournament strategy 34:09 - What was Bluebaum drinking yesterday? 35:47 - What was Wei Yi looking around at? What do players do when away from the board? 38:34 - Who is Wei Yi's chess idol? 40:14 - Does Wei Yi naturally have a calm mood? 42:56 - Has Wei Yi heard about the #GreatBluebaumSweep?
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaWei Yi reviews Game 1 | Candidates 2026Underpromoted2026-03-31 | This was streamed on Mar. 29, 2026, hosted by CHESS贝蕾 and Chess Discovery.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Game 1 analysis; opening choices 2:24 - Black's choices after 10. Bb5; move order subtleties 7:31 - Side question: how are Wei Yi's nerves for his first Candidates? 8:23 - Resuming game analysis; a critical moment after 16... Rc8 13:07 - Second critical moment, after 21. gxf3 15:44 - What does Wei Yi discuss during post-game analyses? 17:27 - How is Wei Yi's time management? 18:49 - What was the most stressful moment of Game 1? 23:11 - Which player is Wei Yi most looking forward to playing? 24:14 - What's Wei Yi's goal for the Candidates?
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaWho will win the Womens Candidates? ft. Jovanka Houska | UP #18Underpromoted2026-03-23 | This episode was recorded on Mar. 18, 2026.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 1:38 - Tournament format; Jovanka's experience in the old knockout format 5:08 - Overview of players; past Candidates 7:37 - Time control [CORRECTION: 90 min for the first 40 moves, followed by 30 min for the rest of the game with a 30 sec increment starting from move 1.] 10:21 - Who is Jovanka rooting for? 12:11 - Zhu Jiner 17:11 - Humpy Koneru 22:34 - Tan Zhongyi 28:50 - Aleksandra Goryachkina 34:14 - Bibisara Assaubayeva 42:42 - Kateryna Lagno 46:17 - Divya Deshmukh 50:34 - Vaishali Rameshbabu 54:15 - Wrapping up
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaSong Yuxin: chess career & recent achievements | UP #16Underpromoted2026-02-26 | Song Yuxin is an international master and professional chess player from Beijing, China. Currently #24 in the women's world rankings (Feb 2026), she achieved major rating gains and professional milestones in 2025.
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaJohn Bartholomew: thoughts on the chess world, chess players, & his own journey | UP #15Underpromoted2026-02-20 | John Bartholomew is a chess educator and International Master from Minnesota, US. He's best known for his instructional YouTube channel and for co-founding Chessable. Currently, he's working on Chessiverse, a recent start-up, where he's released his new Scandinavian course. John also serves on the board of the Minnesota State Chess Association, and continues teaching and content creation.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 0:16 - John breaks down his chess journey and career 5:50 - Curiosity and immersion: John's takeaways as a chess learner 9:44 - Looking to the future, serving his local chess community 12:50 - Hoping for greater cooperation in the chess world 16:07 - Starting a career in chess today vs. when John started 18:44 - Changes in chess: openings, engines, tournaments 23:41 - Engines and amateur improvers 25:52 - Modern chess: rating fixation 30:37 - Modern chess: amateurs with opening expertise and fearlessness 35:41 - Other games: Counter-Strike, Age of Empires, Yahtzee, Stratego 38:39 - Content creators that John enjoys; Felix Blohberger, Daniel Naroditsky 41:41 - John's childhood and having a supportive family 44:04 - Stressful periods in John's life; dealing with perfectionism 49:41 - Memorable viewer interactions; a funny story; seeing viewers' life developments 54:23 - The Age of Discovery; favorite books, movies, music 57:44 - Signing off and thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: Wolfgang JekelAwonder Liang: economics, enjoying chess, 2700-level skills | UP #14Underpromoted2026-02-09 | Awonder Liang is a chess grandmaster, currently ranked #24 in the world (Feb 2026). Growing up in Wisconsin, he broke various American records as a chess prodigy. In 2025, he graduated from the University of Chicago, where he studied economics and applied math.
This interview was recorded on Jan 26, 2026.
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 0:20 - How much sacrifice does elite chess require? 5:38 - How to improve as a 2700-level player 9:21 - Economic and statistical concepts in pro chess 13:04 - Decisionmaking, Hikaru's skills, game strategy in chess 22:26 - Awonder's Substack post: streaks in chess, random walks, probability 29:21 - Playing against weaker opponents, tournament opportunities 34:58 - Awonder's chess style, fearlessness in chess 37:54 - Missed opportunities at university, future hopes 40:04 - Using engines effectively in chess 44:02 - Awonder's enjoyment of chess over time 48:14 - Outlook for 2026 49:33 - Thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaGu Xiaobing: chess career, Jiangsu province, growing Chinas chess | UP #13Underpromoted2026-01-10 | This interview was recorded on Dec. 11, 2025.
Corrections: 1:48 - Shen Yang is from Jiangsu province, but not the city of Xinghua 8:41 - Gu won 4th at the World Junior (not Youth)
Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 1:15 - Chess beginnings, hometown environment, impactful people in her life 7:30 - Most memorable victories and disappointments 10:18 - Joining the national team, traveling for events 12:09 - Starting her own chess club, promoting chess at home 13:38 - Kids in China learning chess today 19:03 - Growing chess in China, Gu's generation of chess players 25:11 - Working as a press officer, commentator 29:19 - Challenges for Chinese players to develop abroad 32:07 - A few tidbits on some Chinese players 33:26 - Thank you!Xu Xiangyu: chess career, national team captain, World Cup | UP #12Underpromoted2025-12-14 | This interview was recorded on Nov. 29, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:35 - Xu's chess beginnings: family, opportunities, training 11:48 - Discouragements 13:32 - Becoming a GM and professional, learning from Wang Yue and Li Chao 16:12 - Pandemic impact and missed opportunities 18:29 - University 19:56 - Growth of chess in China, national goals for chess 24:01 - Being captain of the national team and a second 27:14 - China's training and team structure at the national level 21:00 - China's province teams, financial support for players 34:04 - World Cup: how Chinese players prepared 37:28 - World Cup (cont'd): eliminations, tiebreaks 41:01- World Cup (cont'd): cooking, support from back home, returning home 44:03 - World Cup (cont'd): anecdotes, the enthusiasm of India's chess fans 48:26 - Supporting Tan Zhongyi as the 2025 Women's Challenger 49:22 - Thank you!Ben Johnson: Perpetual Chess, knockout formats, writing projects, chess drama | UP #11Underpromoted2025-12-08 | This interview was recorded on Nov. 3, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 1:10 - Ben's observations after 9 years of Perpetual Chess 3:49 - Defining qualities of Perpetual Chess 6:17 - How the podcast has developed since Ben's original vision 8:44 - Issues with the "adult improver" term 10:44 - How Ben decides what topics to cover 14:13 - Favorite tournaments and what Ben would change about professional events 21:00 - Ben's chess wishlist 22:22 - Ben's editorial voice and writing 26:44 - Parallels between athlete interviews and pro chess interviews 28:05 - The Perpetual Chess audience and community building 32:00 - Potential writing projects 35:18 - Last questions, wrapping up, thank you!John Foley: strategy games, educational benefits, teaching philosophies | UP #10Underpromoted2025-12-05 | This interview was recorded on Oct. 31, 2025 (used Zoom due to a technical issue).
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro, John's work and background 2:41 - What is a game? What is a strategy game? 7:24 - Why are games educational for kids? 10:50 - Chess's shortcomings as an educational tool 20:03 - Making games a standard part of educaction 30:09 - What makes a strategy game good for education? 42:08 - John's career path 49:57 - Developing educational games 59:19 - Closing thoughts: a helpful website and games of imperfect information 1:03:58 - Thank you!Alua Nurman: blitz, music, emotions, travel | UP #9Underpromoted2025-11-26 | This interview was recorded on Nov. 19, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:44 - Competing at tournaments, blitz chess 4:12 - Learning chess, first big win, training 8:58 - Support from her community 10:22 - New York, books, Stranger Things 14:12 - Music, art, and how they connect to chess 19:33 - Alua's Instagram 20:46 - Upcoming chess plans, aspirationsEline Roebers: past progress, current plans, future possibilities | UP #8Underpromoted2025-11-17 | This interview was recorded on Nov. 11, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:41 - Finishing school and doing chess full-time 2:55 - Eline's chess mentors, friends 6:40 - Loving chess and wanting to go pro 12:26 - Recent progress and near-term goals 18:49 - Handling disappointments 23:32 - Game review #1: Roebers - Naiditsch (Hoogeveen 2025) 36:07 - Game review #2: Shirov - Roebers (Hoogeveen 2025) 43:49 - University, World Rapid & Blitz 47:48 - Eline quashes me in three check, thank you, and good luck!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaIrina Bulmaga: old blog posts, professional growth, contentment | UP #7Underpromoted2025-08-26 | This interview was recorded on August 18, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 1:25 - Handling ups, downs, and pressure as a young talent vs professional 6:59 - Does chess = life? 9:53 - Staying positive, and Irina's chess friends 14:07 - Being a professional chess player 23:32 - Irina's current chess level and mindset 25:02 - Working with a chess coach and sports psychologist 33:13 - Finding satisfaction in chess 35:24 - Game Review (PGN & link below) 41:31 - Favorite music and a rock and roll story 45:02 - Thank you
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaLu Shanglei: recent tournaments, career decisions | UP #6Underpromoted2025-07-19 | This interview was recorded on May 3, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:43 - Teaching and learning chess 4:06 - Choosing between college and chess 5:43 - Recent tournaments, fatherhood, and career decisions 18:13 - Reviewing a satisfying endgame from a recent open 36:56 - Thank you
#chess #interviewJovanka Houska: commentating, personal projects, improving the chess world | UP #5Underpromoted2025-05-02 | This interview was recorded on March 29, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:54 - Chess' recent transformation as entertainment and social activity 7:03 - Areas for further change in the chess world 10:24 - Jovanka's past chess projects 15:33 - Why don't we interview more chess players? 20:16 - Stories we want to learn about 21:26 - Jovanka's chess childhood 24:04 - The chess world's #1 area for improvement 32:40 - Social media and managing negativity 38:31 - Jovanka's career trajectory and future projects 47:40 - Managing emotions after losing 51:52 - Being a famous chess person 53:37 - Thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaKevin Goh: organizers, Singaporean chess, internet squabbles | UP #4Underpromoted2025-04-21 | This interview was recorded on Feb. 27, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:58 - Chess' potential as sport, entertainment, and tool 3:09 - Is chess a sport? 5:54 - Making chess accessible to non-experts 10:02 - Leading a chess federation: strategy, reputation, collaboration 18:47 - Dealing with negative social media 24:36 - Evaluating criticisms of FIDE 30:39 - Where does chess need more money? 37:56 - Developing good people, not just good chess players 42:26 - The importance of being able to make friends 44:48 - Transitioning from the business world to a chess federation 49:27 - Kevin's podcast idea 52:30 - Thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaChris Bird: being an arbiter, working with GMs, helping out amateurs | UP #3Underpromoted2025-03-04 | This interview was recorded on Feb. 25, 2025.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:43 - Chris' path to organizing chess and being an arbiter 7:13 - How arbiters watch chess 9:42 - The satisfaction of helping others 12:50 - The difference between working elite and amateur events 16:09 - Being friendly but fair 21:04 - Events on Chris' arbiter bucket list 25:03 - The top arbiters' community 29:01 - How many full-time arbiters are there? 31:24 - The difference between arbiters in and outside the US 38:55 - Making judgment calls and being a good arbiter 46:50 - Case study from the 2024 World Rapid & Blitz (youtu.be/DM7Du8vpQHI?si=BBJ-yhSFe2jYccIk&t=540) 50:07 - The future of chess: online and over-the-board 56:30 - Misc: favorite openings, football, & Arizona 1:02:25 - Thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaTraining Chinas next generation #chessUnderpromoted2025-02-18 | #shorts #interviewA mothers advice #chessUnderpromoted2025-02-17 | #shorts #interviewAre chess players famous in China? #chess #interviewUnderpromoted2025-02-17 | #shortsReflections on universityUnderpromoted2025-02-15 | #shorts #chess #interviewHis first encounter with top playersUnderpromoted2025-02-14 | #shorts #chess #interviewChinas most important youth chess tournamentUnderpromoted2025-02-14 | #shorts #chess #interviewBu Xiangzhi: youngest GM record, rating points, mindset | UP #2Underpromoted2025-02-14 | This interview was recorded on Dec. 13, 2024.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:40 - Early years of training and accomplishments 4:56 - World Youth Chess Championships 6:44 - Breaking the record for youngest grandmaster 9:49 - Personal chess goals, then and now 11:33 - Important moments 16:36 - Pressure and fear of losing 19:14 - Motivation for young players 22:48 - Traveling and making friends through chess 25:52 - Exercise 27:16 - Bu's current goals when competing 29:25 - Attitude towards rating points 31:43 - Training the next generation 34:40 - Chess training, before and after computers 38:44 - Misc: Bu's son, alternative careers, & chess in movies 45:47 - Thank you!
Thumbnail photo credit: John BrezinaTraining away from home at age 7Underpromoted2025-02-14 | #shorts #chess #interviewWei Yi: childhood, training, university, China | UP #1Underpromoted2025-01-14 | This interview was recorded on Dec 5, 2024.
Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 0:35 - Training away from home at age 7 5:30 - Li Chengzhi Cup: China's top tournament for juniors 8:53 - Pros and cons of attending college 12:42 - Pivotal moments in Wei's chess trajectory 18:33 - Goals outside of chess 20:02 - Obstacles for young talents and professionals in China 26:12 - Chess' lack of popularity in China 28:07 - Favorite opponents, and the importance of post-mortems 31:39 - Wei's response to losses 32:30 - Preferred time controls 34:41 - Impact of engines on chess 37:21 - Fischer Random chess 38:43 - Traveling to tournaments, alone and with friends 41:02 - For fun: books & movies, music, Hearthstone, visiting the U.S. 44:58 - Thanks, and see you next time!